1.1    1.1.3.   2.1  3.2   of NZ5261, think there are others....only part one is mandatory, of more like its performance, everything else is down to interpretation, but no one will comment until after you use it.....then they go you.

Apparently according to Bickers at tonight's meeting when I asked why can't we ask the auditors for advise (because the Board base their persecutions on these peoples opinions) it is because there isn't any money in it for them.....which is quite telling because they make a good living out of going after people after the fact......and the Board is here to prevent problems? and enforce safety??

AND MATE,  AFTER 3 YEARS PERSECUTION....IT IS ALL THEY HAVE ON ME........

but the supposedly neutral ESS, won't give me an answer or ruling........total corruption mate.

No money in it ? We pay a lot of money, i diddn't realise charities were supposed to make money

I too have been told, the author of the letter below shares the same name as one of the authours of NZ 5261 (see inside cover), so after 3 years I have been proven to have done nothing wrong, now the Board on the other hand............

Max (Pederson)
Please can you tell me where and when I might be able to do the course that is my punishment for using a British Standard for the positioning of a califont, and when must I do this by.
Also please can you let me know if I can use the attached British Standard, especially page 42 and 43, in light of an email below.
It is very confusing, please can you clarify, thank you.
Paul Gee


Paul and Emma,
Please find below a brief overview of gasfitting in New Zealand.
   “Gasfitting” is a defined term in the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006
   In order to do gasfitting you have to be licensed by the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board
   Gas work (gasfitting) must comply with the Gas Regulations and be certified by the gasfitter as complying with NZS 5261: 2003, part 1 which is the Performance based design and installation criteria
   Part 2 of NZS 5261 gives one way of complying with Part 1, but other ways of complying with part 1 can be used. Relevant Australian or British standards may be used if the gasfitter can demonstrate compliance with NZS 5261, Part1
As I understand it this differs from the UK where home owners are able to do their own gas work.
Other sources of information can be obtained from the Energy Safety Service (www.ess.govt.nz) and the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board (www.pgdb.co.nz)
Please telephone if you wish to discuss
Kind regards
Bruce
Bruce Klein
Senior Advisor Building Standards

Department of Building and Housing
Te Tari Kaupapa Whare
DDI: (04) 8174812
Level 6, 86 Customhouse Quay
PO Box 10729, Wellington 6143, New Zealand
Web: http://www.dbh.govt.nz

Hi Badger

Is the problem with the fact that you used the British Standard, or the fact that at the disciplinary hearing the British Standard did not come up and so can't be used as part of the appeal?  I think is important to understand this as it does have a bearing for others going forward.  It doesn't assist you at all, but is an education for others in a similar position as it will make them think about what they say when interviewed by either the Board or an auditor for either a disciplinary hearing or an audit.  From all the reading I have done I have grasped that the problem is more it wasn't introduced as evidence at the initial hearing.  This must be it becasue the letter from ESS is reasonably clear and any part of the code that is able to be interpreted presumably needs the gasfitter to justify why they took the action they did and which part of the code or standard they are relying on.

Appendix O is a great tool for this and all gasfitters should use it and attach it to their gas certificates and file it - it will show the steps that have been gone through for installation and commissioning and would be very hard evidence to dispute.

I knew the BS standard (I am originally from the UK) AND used a rinnai document when I did the install. When it came to the hearing this one charge (out of 44 TRUMPED UP CHARGES) was the easiest to answer so I didn't do any work on it and because I have been shut down, even threatened, in the past for saying "back in the UK" by prominent people in the NZ plumbing industry I went with the rinnai document only, not to mention the only other certifying gasfitter on the Board's panel, even actually the only other one in the room was British.

But all this is semantics and word play......is it dangerous or not?....and it is not, as testified by the occupier, 65 million people in the UK and even the Building and Housing say you can use a British standard.....but the Board put all their faith in a very involved and corrupt investigator....I drew diagrams showing how I knew the fumes would act.

We have a mandatory performance part one, part two isn't manditory.... it is stated as an "acceptable solution", the NZ 5261 also states that part two isn't the only way to do it and other means can be used. I used another method, which has not been proven by the Board to be unsafe, unyet I have to prove it is safe....and I have beyond a shadow of a doubt.......is this worth loosing your home, business, reputation and 18 months with my 5 and 7 year old sons.....no it is not and it is not fair.

WHY AM I GULITY BEFORE I AM PROVEN INNOCENT? AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING!!!!

We are practical people, not lawyers or politicians.....is it dangerous or not? that is all that should come into it. The Board claim to be a professional Board with well informed people, this is bullshit, they are corrupt and vindictive.

**Sorry Badger, hit the wrong key!