What a bunch of knob ends! I pay my own license and take care of my required cpd. I don't think I'm any better than you and never have claimed to be. Just because someone disagrees with you or takes another approach you get your hackles up.

As to being a powerful inspector here's some advice. Do the job right and you'll never ever get failed. An inspector can't fail you if it complies with the Building Code. As to the illegal work by all means blame it on Councils for not identifying it but believe me we're busy enough without looking for it. It comes out eventually, lets hope you guys experience that sooner rather than later, I'll be real sympathetic, not.

TS i did not get my hackles up at what you posted ...BUT in the manner with which you posted this information....your information is correct and true but ease off on the hammer and gravel attitude with which you post...thats my only issue.


And you well know that NO JOB is EVER 100% to EXACT code requirments eg clip spacing on plastic pipes holes not being exactly in centre of stud(yes i have been picked on this before by a tosser inspector just trying to play god!...he then told me to place a piece of sheet metal over the edge of the stud so the gibbies wouldnt screw throough my pipe!!!????But the most critical part of the gibbies job is to mark pipes behind walls so they dont screw through pipes and the likes!!!!,...But over the last two years we keep getting the comment that our work is some of the best around as all inspectors fail to pick any holes in our work...
And TS could you please tell me how a check valve is required on a shower with a standard base and liner...The explaniation i was given by one inspector was: EG: a lady is in the shower having a shower the phone goes she has the shower rose in her hand she then drops the shower rose to the floor/tray WITH THE SHOWER STILL RUNNING!!!(you drop the rose with the shower going and water goes everwhere! some how a fricken spacecraft turns up and drops a cloth over the easy clean waste(has to be a big cloth with the size of todays easy clean wastes!)...It then blocks WITH THE SHOWER STILL RUNNING!!! and the tray fills with water AT THE SAME TIME  a fire truck turns up down the road to fight a fire hooks up to the main and sucks all the pressure out of the main creating a back siphonage situation thus sucking water from the shower tray back into the mainsLOLOLOLOLLOLOL...i just looked at the inspector with a you have got to be frickin kidding me...you would have more chance of winning lotto that this happening!...Firstly the woman would turn the shower off secondly she would place the shower head back as it is eaiser to lift up that to bend down and third the trays are to shallow to completley cover the shower rose head so there is a natural air break there anyways and no back syphonage will occur even if these 3 previous far out circumstances do occur...go and try it for your self i have had a look at many diffrent trays and shower heads and can see this aint going to happen...the council idiots are just comming up with stuff to justify there jobs!!!

but as im one of those knob end plumbers TS obvisouley with out a clue i must adheer to what inspectors demand!...to this day i bring this up with any and every inspector because this is just a drop kick idea...i dont know if any other councils do it but it is in auckland.

No, a small minority of disgruntled plumbers who have no backing have is all that I've upset. Theres literally only three or four of you who are active on here and believe me your out of touch.

And this is where you fall flat on your face TS when you say only 3-4 active people here is incorrect more like 5-6  any how active numbers on this site donot represent any where near the true amount of disgruntled tradesman out there and if you think it does TS than your more of a fool than i could have ever thought....Just for example this started from a few fed up tradies and now represents near a thousand and as an example look to mahatma gandhi he was just one,1,ONE disgruntled person TS sick of british rule and he moved an empire and i hope that the federation will move the empire now ruling over us!...I fear you will toatly miss my point TS as you seem to be stuck in your no free thought rules and regs box of a world as most council workers i know my brother in law works for the council so i hear some of the inner workings and it is very bland TS very bland indeed.

Im glad weve managed to get to you TS as now we see the real TS posting here which is refreshing now we can have a real robust discousion. 

"I have plenty of technical expertise I could've offered here"...i know your a bit of a technical powerhouse TS but that in no way near makes you a better tradesman...I preffer people with wisdom as its all fine and dandy having lots knowledge but wisdom is knowledge lived! so wisdom is what i seek TS as i can gain knowledge from any book or supplier any time which is what i regulary do.

but my main question i have been trying to get you to answer is WHAT DO YOU IN ALL YOUR WISDOM SEE HAPPENING IF WE ALL REFUSED TO PAY OUR FEES ALL 1000 OF US? do you see people taking notice or do you see all of us being struck off the books with the trades shoratge we already have this is a serrious question to you TS the ball is in your court.

Just a thought - How many inspectors in small towns are guiltyof allowing guys without licenses to operate becasue they've known them for years?

Wombles, totally, it is all about who you know, not what you know.....seen it heaps.

yea robbo i see alot of the elbows up high nowdays but what if they go out and get a extra long hose...same problem...
plus i reckon the elbow up that high dont look as good as elbow same height as mixer, and as a last note putting the elbow up high means the user looses the flexiability of having a fleiable hose you may as well have a fixed head...just in my opinion but it is a valid way to negate this issue.
And if the council was so worried about this cross connection of the public main line then just put a doubble check valve at the gate which they require on new builds that have pools anyway...this would solve ALL and ANY issues with any wierd possible cross connection and to me is the most logical way to ensure the public supply is protected...putting check valves on showers is a drop kick idea i believe! as i would say 90% of showers pose no cross connection issues at all as well these devices are non testable so as soon as any grit lodges in the check valve ...same problem.
I have always thought since i was an apprentise that they should place testable doubble check valves at the gate to each property it is the logical way to 100% protect the public supply...and give us more work

hi guys,
The Board will soon host a series of public meetings around NZ Another junket at our expence,  if there was a demonstration at each venue instead of going in to listen to more spin maybe the message wold get through,cheers