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Offline Wal

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Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« on: November 23, 2012, 06:13:09 AM »
Common sense has abandoned the regulation of the industry. Any law, regulation, legislation or rule must be written in such a way that the people whom it is being imposed upon can read and understand it. There is no use having instructions if you can’t understand them and they seem to be written in some foreign language.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 06:31:17 PM »
well written again guys ,

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 10:29:29 PM »
I sat /passed my quals to be a craftsman, that's what i am ..............not what was it.....certifier or some crap that meets this circus's means
Way back if i recall correctly when gas first went to self certifying and brownie points were mooted, the then board indicated that they would set and organise the courses for all.   The current clowns are so not with it either.
I am another whom is not planning to register all my trades this year,

 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2012, 08:07:01 PM »
Craftsman - is that due to costs?
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 09:37:53 PM »
yes Jaxcat, costs do have a big influence .
in what way is the public safer with my having to buy last years points.
board ignorance and income is how i see it

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 10:57:17 AM »
whats the rules around licensing under exemption if you are actually registered as a licensed/certifier?

if the company was large enough it would probably make sense to reduce costs by having one employee/principle licensed as certify-er and all others licensed under exemption - wouldnt make any difference to business - as other members have found it is not the person doing the work who is liable but the company that undertakes that work  (forget the member name who was prosecuted  by board)

this would be a saving of $265 per employee and significantly reduce associated costs with cpd as there is only the need for the one employee to undertake it....



what happens - or what is the requirement when you do not re-license for a period of time - and then go to re-license at licensed/certifying level/status?      do you have to again show competency via exams/cpd or otherwise?!?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 11:45:24 AM »
I would love to know who got done by the Board and that the company is liable, because that hasn't been my experience.

As I understand it, it is totally down to the certifier and the buck stops there.....but saying that there is no consistancey with the Board, depends on who you know and how much influence you got.

It should be black and white, right and wrong, no grey areas and the same for all concerned but this isn't how it is.

You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »
I would love to know who got done by the Board and that the company is liable, because that hasn't been my experience.

As I understand it, it is totally down to the certifier and the buck stops there.....but saying that there is no consistancey with the Board, depends on who you know and how much influence you got.

It should be black and white, right and wrong, no grey areas and the same for all concerned but this isn't how it is.



Im not sure Badger - I may be confused - it was a plumbing issue not gas regarding a relief drain? I think he may have subbed the work out to another craftsman/certifying plumber who done the job but when things went pear-shaped he was the one done for it - as his business was the principle contractor?


I realise you got done m8 - that whole case is a sham

I know in your case it was you as a person prosecuted

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 07:47:12 PM »
All good mate, I reckon what was started with the gasfitters will go, eventually, for everyone.

As long as its fair, transparent and the same for everyone, I think its fine.....but I wouldn't hold your breath mate ;)

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 130 23 November 2012
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 08:46:46 PM »
I seem to remember reading about that case on this forum, photos too. Cant remember if there was any outcome.


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