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Offline Wal

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Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« on: June 28, 2013, 05:49:58 AM »
The Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Department of Credibility has some new polices issued without any thought or consultation.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2013, 07:55:06 AM »
Where are the so called tradepeople on the Board? Are they just going to the meetings to eat their bloody lunch and listen to what the Chair, CEO and lawyers say.

Where was the consultation on the changes? It seems to me they have introduced more terms and conditions of licensing and have hidden them as part of the examinations policy.

To the Federation I'll give you a jug of beer or spirits for every prediction you get right. Hope you can drink a lot because it's shaping up that you will be right yet again.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2013, 09:31:01 AM »
Professional Board members mate, taking a top up in wages, filling their pockets and selling their fellow tradesman down the river....lovely people.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2013, 04:08:40 PM »
I think you are on the money - I would guess at least 90% of the Feds predictions will come to pass.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2013, 05:33:53 PM »
sure are correct badger, just look at the history of events and the lack of thought for what i would call common sense and simplicity .
It don't exist anywhere with this lot.
how do we go about rectifying all this before the trade is totally stuffed??i wouldn't consider training anyone with this stage of development. Any one ever consider seriously with numbers condoning a
boycott???

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2013, 05:42:04 PM »
says it all really...........



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Jackson Plumbing of Invercargill is currently managed by Peter Jackson. Our emphasis is on quality and excellence, which we underpin with over 60 years as members of the News Zealand Society of Master Plumbers. A company priority is the training of many apprentices to a standard of excelllence. Retaining those tradesmen has been paramount in the service we offer on a daily basis. The business covering Invercargill and the surrounding Southland area employs 12 staff, including a gasfitter, ensuring our ability to service our regular clientele. Jackson Plumbing has 130 years collective experience within our team. Directors of Jackson Plumbing serve the industry in a national capacity as Presidents of the New Zealand Society of Master Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers, the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Registration Board, New Zealand Plumbers’Merchants/Plumbing World, Pattons Refrigeration, Metrix Distribution Ltd and H2O Design. These Directorships showcase the involvement both nationally and internationally we have in the plumbing and business world.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2013, 05:47:15 PM »
Perhaps this is why the NZ Law Commission says this........



http://www.lawcom.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/2008/01/Publication_131_385_IP6_Tribunals_in_NZ.pdf


5.36 a difficulty arises here in that occupational regulatory and disciplinary bodies are
often funded by the relevant industry, which may adversely affect perceptions of
their independence. However, this funding is necessary. We suggest that it may be
acceptable for these bodies to be funded through mechanisms such as licensing fees
and industry levies provided that they are independent from industry associations
and other purely industry groups, and that other mechanisms are in place to
safeguard their independence. For example, in its recent review of the real estate
agents act 1976, the Ministry of Justice suggested that the body responsible for
licensing and disciplinary matters ought to be “independent from the industry,”
meaning that the real estate institute of New Zealand should not be able to exercise
control over it. This body would be constituted as a separate body that would be
required to report annually to Parliament. Finally, it was seen as important for
public perceptions of independence that the Minister of Justice should appoint
members, rather than the industry appointing the members.337 We note that these
recommendations arose in a context of public concern about the real estate industry.
However, we suggest that the underlying principles reflect a wider trend towards
greater independence for occupational bodies, and that the recommendations can
be considered as an example of best practice in any event.
5.37 The majority of bodies within our study which regulate and discipline
occupational groups do enjoy a degree of independence from the occupation
itself. although many are funded by industry levies and the like, they are
frequently established as Crown entities or bodies corporate, so are independent
from their industry representative body. For example, the New Zealand Teachers
Council is an autonomous Crown entity, and is funded through a government
grant and registration fees. similarly, the registration and disciplinary system
for social workers is run through the social Workers registration board, which
may impose a levy on members for the purposes of discipline under the act.338
The Chartered Professional engineers Council is a body corporate under the
oversight of the department of building and Housing, and is funded
336 see, eg, Ministry of Justice The Government’s Preferred Options for Reform of the Real Estate Agents Act
1976: Public Consultation Document (Wellington, 2007). a new real estate agents bill was introduced
on 3 december 2007.
337 Ministry of Justice The Government’s Preferred Options for Reform of the Real Estate Agents Act 1976:
Public Consultation Document (Wellington, 2007). a new real estate agents bill was introduced on
3 december 2007.
338 social Workers registration act 2003 s 109.



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2013, 11:40:43 PM »



Jackson Plumbing of Invercargill is currently managed by Peter Jackson. Our emphasis is on quality and excellence, which we underpin with over 60 years as members of the News Zealand Society of Master Plumbers. A company priority is the training of many apprentices to a standard of excelllence. Retaining those tradesmen has been paramount in the service we offer on a daily basis. The business covering Invercargill and the surrounding Southland area employs 12 staff, including a gasfitter, ensuring our ability to service our regular clientele. Jackson Plumbing has 130 years collective experience within our team. Directors of Jackson Plumbing serve the industry in a national capacity as Presidents of the New Zealand Society of Master Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers, the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Registration Board, New Zealand Plumbers’Merchants/Plumbing World, Pattons Refrigeration, Metrix Distribution Ltd and H2O Design. These Directorships showcase the involvement both nationally and internationally we have in the plumbing and business world.



this is misleading - the current directors and shareholders have nothing to do with plumbing outside of the the documented ownership and directorship - yes the company is a master plumber member but i am yet to see them at a meeting or otherwise

its al about smoke, mirrors and self portrayal to the outside world...

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 160 Dated 28 June 2013
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 07:23:58 AM »
The Board, Minister and CEO need to be fired or resign. The industry will never support these clowns and when I say industry I mean the majority of trades people out there not Master Plumbers as the self proclaimed voice of the industry. Everyone needs to get behind the Federation and push for change as these other idiots have had control for 100years and it is all failing.

Their time is up.


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