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Offline Badger

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2013, 09:43:26 PM »
I struggle with spelling and am lost with out my spell check.....but like most dyslexics I am good with numbers....

If it was just 380 bucks for ALL the up-skilling, lost days, the license, legal representation, record keeping, paying to watch some salesman push his product, or for the money for the course, buying all my points....TO BUY THE RIGHT TO DO A JOB I AM ALREADY QUALIFIED TO DO.

Add it all up spud, it ain't just the license......all over seen by a bunch of corrupts....it is utter bullshit.

I am very proud of the Feds, makes me think we are not all sheep.

Anyone seen the latest way to build houses cheaper.......the trades should pass on the savings and share the perks, as per Nick Smith on the news. No more mark up?

Apparently we get a new Ute every three years from our suppliers!!!
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2013, 08:58:15 AM »
hi guys, G.S.T. is the real elephant in the room, if fact i would go as far as to say that since it was introduced the govt has given up on making the conditions for business to operate in nz profitable which in turn would reduce unemployment and provide the govt with tax revenue by way p.a.y.e. Instead it`s a tax on the cost of living whether you are working or not with companies not able to compete then closing down and putting all it`s workers on the dole,cheers

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 08:17:33 AM »
A while back I was at a meeting when a guy asked why does it cost so much to run a register?...... a valid question.

The reply was smug and condescending....... have you seen what lawyers charge?

When this was made by a part of the Board's legal team I found it totally insulting, especially after she relayed a story about being the plumbing mafia.

Nice people.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 04:14:20 PM »
I struggle with spelling and am lost with out my spell check.....but like most dyslexics I am good with numbers....

If it was just 380 bucks for ALL the up-skilling, lost days, the license, legal representation, record keeping, paying to watch some salesman push his product, or for the money for the course, buying all my points....TO BUY THE RIGHT TO DO A JOB I AM ALREADY QUALIFIED TO DO.

Add it all up spud, it ain't just the license......all over seen by a bunch of corrupts....it is utter bullshit.

I am very proud of the Feds, makes me think we are not all sheep.

Anyone seen the latest way to build houses cheaper.......the trades should pass on the savings and share the perks, as per Nick Smith on the news. No more mark up?

Apparently we get a new Ute every three years from our suppliers!!!

Upskilling is free mate. Most suppliers now run upskilling courses after hours and theyre very easy to pass, even for dyslexics.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 05:34:51 PM »
So what's your charge out rate, or is your time free after hours......and yes when the reps are pushing their product, the cpd courses are impossible to fail which makes them a bit of waste of your time, time which you can't charge for....time I could spend with my family.




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2013, 06:57:00 PM »


Upskilling is free mate. Most suppliers now run upskilling courses after hours and theyre very easy to pass, even for dyslexics.
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Spud so your time after hours is free can I get you to cover all my after hours callouts for me I might just be able to make a profit  ;D and what about your travel costs not all of us live next door to the merchant. Also the supplier CPD courses are really just a product push what do you actually learn?  If I am going to be forced to do the bull s*#t courses I would at least want to learn something new.
Unless the moral improves the floggings will continue

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2013, 07:21:37 PM »
Aboutgas, exactly mate, otherwise its just hoops to jump through for your license and a bit of a farce...I like to learn new stuff.

Don't forget.... we were once totally qualified, but now I got to listen to a guy (usually just a salesman and not qualified) pushing his product for an evening.....to get my "points".


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2013, 08:25:10 PM »
they won't be free for much longer, remember the board don't like beer & pizza courses, they don't make any money from them. master plumbers charge $30 per point remember .

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2013, 08:33:48 PM »
Nothing is "free".   What you mean Spud is you don't pay for them on the night, but the cost is borne by subsequently passed on.  If the supplier is paying, and often providing supper to boot, then you are paying when you buy the product.  "Free to you" is not "free" full stop.  You pay somewhere along the line mate.  We all do.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2013, 06:20:45 AM »
Geez Ive never heard such a bunch of bloody whingers in my life!
hands up, how many poms are here? come on you gasfitters!!

What a bunch of sour depressing bastards

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2013, 06:36:21 AM »
How long have you been in the industry SPUD? 

The people you have called a bunch of sour depressing bastards have a huge amount of experience and the way you are talking have probably forgotten more than you will ever know.

I was once told SPUD stood for Stupid Persistent Useless Dork. Have a bit of respect for others and don't live up to your name.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2013, 06:52:39 AM »
How long have you been in the industry SPUD? 

The people you have called a bunch of sour depressing bastards have a huge amount of experience and the way you are talking have probably forgotten more than you will ever know.

I was once told SPUD stood for Stupid Persistent Useless Dork. Have a bit of respect for others and don't live up to your name.

Im not sure how the things Ive said here mean I don't know as much as the other posters on here. Ive been in the industry for 20 years and been certifying for 5, registered for 14.
I just honestly think you guys complaining about a few hours a year spent upskilling after work need to get a life. Its not much time. Its free. Yeah its a drag and the courses are run by companies trying to sell their products but you don't have to buy them. Stop whingeing and moaning for Christs sake, youre making plumbers look like a bunch of tossers.
If you want something to moan about why don't you direct your attention at something real like the pathetic pre-trade courses that are being run at the moment where guys are coming out of them not even knowing how to put a hacksaw blade in a hacksaw.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2013, 07:03:35 AM »
Spud, are you being deliberately obtuse? It is the poor quality of training for CPD, apprentices, pretrade courses that is objected to.  Having to listen to a sales rep discuss plug and wastes IS NOT upskilling and never will be.  You seem to have completely missed the point AGAIN. No-one is objecting to upskilling per se, however just about everyone objects to the poor quality "courses" available  at your local merchant and online.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2013, 07:51:40 AM »
I think going along with bullshit courses makes plumbers look like tossers, its called principle mate.

And by the way, if you think it will stay this way.......well I'll make a bit of a prediction, when the ground work is done, the bullshit courses will disappear (be banned by the board, this is already happening) and the biggest provider of CPD (who are over represented on the board) will start charging like a wounded bull for the courses, half price for members to boost flagging membership, it is the thin end of the wedge mate.

Please don't confuse whinging with standing up for your self. I have found those stood there staunch not saying anything, say nothing because they got nothing to say.

I am Welsh, by the way (not that you'll know the difference and be totally ignorant of the history). Your obviously Mori Ori as one of the first "originals", or may be a bat the only native mammal.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 179 Dated 1 November 2013
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2013, 09:21:10 AM »
Hi Spud. You are right with some of what you say with regard to poor training.  I believe the entire training system has collapsed hence the reason so much emphasis has been put on CPD because people just aren't getting the right training. The training should be what is relevant, necessary and cost effective and CPD doesn't fall into any of those categories but yet we are wasting time doing it. It is money and resources that could be better directed.

Did you attend the Qualifications meeting this week run by Skills? It was a very sad endorsement of where our training in the industry is going.

The guys in the Federation are fighting on a lot of fronts for the industry not just about CPD, there are issues like the unlawful taking of industry money, people getting given their certifying qualifications when they haven't even done an apprenticeship, conflicts of interest, poor investigative processes, people clipping the ticket at our expense and the list goes on. I agree with Wal and the others that nothing will change unless the Board are held accountable and we can't lift the standing of the industry unless all the poxy sores are bought out into the sunlight to heal. There is a lot that happens that the industry just doen't know about.

I think everyone would agree good relevant training that produces good tradespeople is what is needed so we can lift the trades reputation back to where it should be.   

Well done for doing 20 years. Not many people last that long.


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