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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #120 on: January 31, 2015, 04:37:18 PM »
Here is an excerpt from my submission to the select committee.... apparently there is no problem in someone ordering books of certs in your name, with out your knowledge......why would someone do that?

Bare in mind the "impartial" investigator had lobbied heavily too for the self cert system, see attached. Now how would a person look if they lobbied for the self cert system and deregulation, empowered a guy with his full licence.....that later "didn't register" a cert for the last work.....AT THE SITE ON AN EXPLOSION......I reckon he would look a bit of a cock.



1.   On 10 November 2003, I attended a meeting with the Manager. At this meeting, I submitted a written statement outlining my safety concerns; this written statement was later provided to the Board and appears in my Hearing’s Bundle (HB).

2.   On 13 November 2003, I was issued with a written warning by the manager for how I had expressed my concerns about safety to his son in law, (HB). In response to this written warning I indicated I would resign as soon as was practicable.

3.   On 14 November 2003, four books of non-transferable gas certificates were ordered, for the one and only time, by some one at the gas company. It was done in my name, without my knowledge, (HB).

4.   On 19 November 2003, I gave two weeks notice and resigned from this gas company, (HB).

5.   I later found out, after the explosion, that on the 4th March 2004, three months after I left, someone from this gas company, on this company’s letterhead, wrote a letter in my name to alter a gas certificate to the PGDB, which was apparently acted on, (HB).
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #121 on: January 31, 2015, 05:09:38 PM »
Here's the orders for the 4 books of certs......looks like they went to order just one book then thought well we might as well have another three books......this all came from the Boards own records.......

Is this reasonable......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2015, 05:12:19 PM »
On the last page the sum is made out for just 250 bucks and the quantity has been altered.....

God I bet they miss being able to charge 1000 dollars for four books of certs.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #123 on: January 31, 2015, 07:29:23 PM »
So how do you feel to be overseen by a Board who frame innocent people, while they ignore guilty people, even ignore dangerous installations that could kill and prosecute for one appliance when no one has complained but ignore a job where a poorly elderly couple complain, that is fitted nearer than the one I fitted......

How do we feel about that......and it is us who need to sit in on CPD bollox courses and prove we are fit and proper people.....is this reasonable?


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #124 on: January 31, 2015, 07:46:43 PM »
There is something that has always niggled me about this form, attached, if you look at the top it was faxed on the 14th, the certs were sent on the 17th.......wouldn't the additions/alterations have been done at the Board, perhaps after a phone call?, if you write up a form and make a mistake, then you just throw it away and start again.....but if it been received, sent by fax.....how do you alter/add stuff?


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2015, 07:49:00 PM »
And why is there two different types of hand writing on it? Strange eh?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #126 on: January 31, 2015, 07:52:45 PM »
......and what's with the ordering of one book then another three books?


Apparently all this is normal....really? because to me it looks dodgy.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #127 on: January 31, 2015, 08:00:04 PM »
........and doing it after I told him in no uncertain term that he could shove his job up his arse......why would someone buy these certs, not just one book but 4......just before I leave their company?



Paid for on the 15th....look at the cert numbers.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #128 on: January 31, 2015, 08:07:50 PM »
This is why these certs have the paper copy I am not mentioned.....but the system shows it as me.......this is why it is not ok to buy certs in someone else's name with out them knowing that your ordering them, especially if they have told you to shove your job up your arse.....

But Mr Hammond thinks its ok......starting to see the trend......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #129 on: January 31, 2015, 08:19:35 PM »
These are the certs, mentioned below, these are the ones that resulted in the disclaimer......


Disclaimer: The details as they appear here are not necessarily an accurate reflection of the details on the original hardcopy certificate. For this reason, should you wish to obtain a copy of this certificate, please complete the form on the previous page or email gascerts@pgdb.co.nz for more info.


Can you imagine if one of us mere plumbers made a cock up like this......




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #130 on: January 31, 2015, 08:21:56 PM »
Fit and proper, unreasonable people.......perhaps a mirror might help Maxy Boy.....go have a hard look.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #131 on: January 31, 2015, 08:26:01 PM »
Now how about these photos.....


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #132 on: January 31, 2015, 08:53:52 PM »
Here's some irony for you, a Board news letter the month before the explosion, remember the cert not registered, the altering of the whole gas install, from the lowering of the pipe, the addition of the pizza oven, and the altering of the gas supply set up.....talk about one rule for one and one rule for others......is this reasonable?


Tony Hammond, is the investigator and have a look at Mr Parker, in the newsletter attached.


Replacement for
Gas Appliances –
Tony Hammond
The Gas Regulations (REG 24) define, amongst others, that the
following require certification:
Extensions, additions and replacements to existing gas installations
Alterations that result in repositioning of pipework or changes to the
operation of the installation
It is worth noting that an installation is defined in the Gas Act as
“including a gas appliance”.
Therefore, replacement of one appliance by another, even if very
similar, requires certification.
Further weight is added to the argument when one considers that
even a “like for like” replacement needs to be adjusted to ensure
gas pressure and aeration are set appropriately, the connections are
gastightness and the safety devices operate at the right levels; that
is, the appliance needs to be commissioned in accordance with clause
1.6.7 of NZS 5261.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #133 on: January 31, 2015, 08:58:36 PM »
So Steven how long have you known Mr Hammond?



Stephen Parker
Stephen Parker, Executive Director of the Gas
Association of New Zealand since 1998,



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #134 on: January 31, 2015, 09:06:34 PM »
so how well do the investigator and the chair of my kangaroo court know each other....compare this to their statement from the impartiality hearing......is this reasonable?


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