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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #180 on: February 15, 2015, 02:18:29 PM »
Have a look at the state of this cert.....all accepted by our Board, the same Board that said I had no idea of my responsibility when signing or words to that effect.....I have heaps of certs similar, some where they have highlighted the missing details...how many of you had certs returned because of this?.....but not Darnley.

Of Note....This cert 299755 was brought up for one of my yearly audits, before the explosion, one that the auditor put a claim for and got paid for(got the paper work for that too).....he did this after I told him that I didn't finish the job or sign it off..... I handed it back to Darnley because it wasn't finished and had told Darnley that I wasn't prepared to sign it off......Along with about 30 others.


NOW COMPARE THE WRITTING ON THIS CERT 299755.....TO THE FRONT OF THE JOB CARD FOR THE MILTON STREET FRYERS, both attached below for you convenience......

NOW ESPECIALLY COMPARE THE ADDED APPLIANCES ON THE FRONT OF THE JOB CARD TO THE PERSONAL DETAILS AND ACCOMPANYING SIGNATURE ON THE PINK COPY OF THE CERT 299755.....THE FIGURE 6 IS TOTALLY IDENTICAL AND THE SIGNATURE IS IN KEEPING WITH THE WRITTING THAT ACCOMPANIES IT, TO MY EYE ANYWAY. What's the odds on that?



Now I am no hand writing expert (which is available to the Board) but they look mighty similar.......to ignore this ......is this reasonable?


All this known to the Board when Darnley's charge, that he faced for the explosion.....just disappeared.......

Don't you think they should have looked into it, perhaps asked the people who filled out the certs for me to sign????
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #181 on: February 15, 2015, 02:31:33 PM »
Print them both off and compare.........let me know your opinion.


I still have heaps......it is embarrassing.


THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ANYONE OF YOU, AND STILL CAN BE ANYONE OF YOU...........


I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that I did nothing, how will you fare.....how confident are you in getting a fair go?



The Ombudsman's ruling on CPD......well CPD.......the investigator needs heaps of it......but its ok he got given his licence.......It is so very wrong......


Where is our minister, where is our Ombudsman?.....we are on our own (except for the Federation).....I know who gets my support every time.


Wal (and the committee) have been a stalwarts for the industry. Wal is one of the most fair minded people I have ever met.....when I have gone off half cocked he actually sticks up for the Board and others, but he also points out where they are going wrong, straight down the middle.

We need a fair minded neutral person to look into all of this.....or we can get the minister to change the law on collusion, corruption, nepotism and risking the NZ public's safety just to keep their mates safe.........that's reasonable isn't it?




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #182 on: February 15, 2015, 02:59:52 PM »
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.....sent today.....




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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gasnsolarservices@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 15 February 2015 2:53 p.m.
To: 'Paul & Emma Gee'; 'Registrar'; communications@pgdb.co.nz; complaints@pgdb.co.nz
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Lyndon Moffitt'; campbelllive@tv3.co.nz; 'Andrew Little'; jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz; 'Janis Adair'; 'Jude Hutton'; 'Nick 4 Nelson'
Subject: RE: Letter responding to 26 Nov email

 

Mr Pederson,

 

Please can you get a handwriting expert to check/compare the witting on these attachments?

 

Especially the writing in the top 5 lines of the appliances field on the Job card, please compare to the personal details and accompanying signature on the cert 299755, as this gives us an identified and signed example of handwriting to compare with the person who in all probability installed the fryers at the site of an explosion.

 

I believe them to be the same hand and am sure you as the registrar would want to get to the truth on this matter, as no one to this day has been held accountable for nearly killing someone.

 

Thank you

 

Best Regards Paul Gee


 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #183 on: February 16, 2015, 06:59:33 AM »
Had a mate, who is a very experienced investigator look at the handwriting for me, his findings in the attachment, also see the email sent to Mr Pederson and all the MP's and tv stations mentioned in the previous email stream.... below in blue,

Mr Pederson and others,

 

I ask you to look at comments made by an experienced investigator, if our opinion is correct then the two samples are written by the same person, which puts who ever wrote it at the chipshop and in all probability fitted the fryers, this hand writing is signed off as John Darnley.

 

I did not install the fryers and my photos of the smoke prove I did no wrong at the Malvern Ave job, 100% innocent.

 

This is so very wrong in what you have done to my family; you are and have protected this man.

 

By way of an OIA request….why did the charge for the chipshop disappear for Mr Darnley?

 

FYI, this is posted on the plumber’s forum.

 

Best Regards Paul Gee


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #184 on: February 16, 2015, 07:05:45 AM »
Now I was threatened with a handwriting expert........perhaps they will get him to give his professional opinion......and actually do their job.......

Have a look at the legionnaires job and do their job......I am 100 % innocent......where is our Ombudsman, our minister.........


NO ONE HAS BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS EXPLOSION......IS THIS REASONABLE?

I have done no wrong, but lost so much is this reasonable?

To protect this person.....is this reasonable? Does this help the Board's credibility? Do/can you trust them?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #185 on: February 16, 2015, 07:10:01 AM »
So hypothetically speaking the police arrest the wrong person and at the trial they discover it wasn't the poor sap on the stand who is guilty......do they just stop looking because the guy they wanted to pin it on didn't happen?

Or do they do their job and get to the bottom of it all...........what is reasonable?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #186 on: February 16, 2015, 07:15:07 AM »
I think the writing is on the wall..............with all this blatant evidence is it fair to ignore it and shaft an innocent party.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #187 on: February 16, 2015, 11:12:10 PM »
One rule for us and another for them.....remember the cert 345138....apparently the investigator saw a copy, or at least claimed to have seen it....hmmmm dodgy....





Mr Pederson,

 

Supplementary to my recent emails concerning the samples of matching handwriting. Writing identified by Darnley’s signature on an altered certificate for 8 point road which appears to match the hand writing for the “added” appliances on the job card for an explosion.

 

Please can I draw your attention to a possible untruth told on page 7 of 25 of the investigators report, please see attached. It appears that Mr Darnley doesn’t recognise his own hand writing. I have good reason to believe that it is Mr Darnley’s writing, how could he “not recognise” his own writing?

 

Also……

 

Please can you explain to me how the investigator could “reference back to the originals received by the Board” in relation to cert 345138 in this same report, on page 5 of 25? It states in this report that the investigator was appointed on the 24th July 2009. Which is after the date (well over a month) mentioned below, from an email in correspondence with myself and the Board, you personally have also confirmed this in your 33 page report on my concerns.

 

I have attached copies for your convenience, with the email below. It appears some untruths have been told.

 

From: Melanie Phillips [mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 4:13 p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Cc: Wal Gordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee 

Hi Paul

Please see attached Belinda’s file note of her request to John Darnley for a copy of certificate 345138.  This occurred after she was contacted by lawyers acting for the owner on 17 April 2009 requesting copies of all gas certificates relating to 136 Milton Street.   

Also attached is a copy of the certificate received which, as you will see, is of quite poor quality.

Please let me know if you need any more information. 

Regards

Mel

 

From: Melanie Phillips[mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 3:22p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee; WalGordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee

Hi Paul

I have just gone back through the file and can confirm that the Board never received a pink copy of certificate345138.  The only copy the Board has is a photocopy of the certifier’s copy, which you produced as exhibit PG007 together with a copy of the gas suppliers copy.

I see notes from Belinda Greer on the file that the Board copy of certificate 345138 was received after the explosion in 2009, I think from the Department of Labour.

I’m sorry I can’t help you further.

Regards

Mel

 

 

Which copy of cert 345138 did Mr Hammond see, perhaps he still has it?

 

I have only told the truth with the publics best interest in mind, what have these other people done?

 

 

 

Best Regards Paul Gee

 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #188 on: February 17, 2015, 06:39:16 AM »
So who has been telling porky pies.....

Mr Darnley, Mr Hammond, Mr Pederson or the Board.....or all of them.

I tell the truth.....loose everything......is this reasonable?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #189 on: February 17, 2015, 08:36:51 PM »
Is it reasonable to expect fair play, with people telling the truth and acting in the public's best interest......

Or do you wait, hoping that they never come for you, waiting until a dodgy system singles you out for treatment while the same system is prepared to gamble with the publics well being?

People have got to see, it is only because we let these bullies go after us behind closed doors that they can do what they do, in full daylight, with full disclosure, with the public watching...... they got nothing......

I am no anarchist, I am all for regulation and can't abide cowboys and would never willingly gamble with another persons safety, especially to make a profit and I think it is best to contribute and give back......just wish we had a Board that acted the same.........




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #190 on: February 17, 2015, 08:40:37 PM »
Look at the shear weight of evidence that I have put on here............doesn't it bother you that those in power aren't outraged by this sort of carry on......which way does this lead us, the industry, the country?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #191 on: February 17, 2015, 09:49:24 PM »
Now....... apart from all the untruths, lying letters to my customers, the shocking child sexual abuse case notes, the nepotism, ignored conflicts of interest, ignored evidence, withheld notes & photos and re-amending of 50% of the charges, 42 charges blown out of the water, British standards not known by the only certifying gasfitter there (who was British), threatening phone call, enforcing a non mandatory part of the act, the owner saying it wasn't a problem, ignoring a legionnaires risk.....etc. etc.   blah blah blah...... you seen the blatant evidence and paper trail I have put on here ......forget all that.....

Just answer me this......


How is it possible for these fumes enter the building see attached, just this one thing......

I was criticised for not taking an expert to the hearing to back my point.....I did...... his name was Paul Gee, with well over 20 years of experience and who had earned all his tickets.......TWICE....once in the UK and once in NZ.....an expert who knew how these fumes would act......because I had fitted so many.........but the Board have ignored one that is, in their own words (because proximity is a concern to them)...... worse because it is nearer......hypocrites.

But the board believed a conflicted investigator, who was also given his certifying status (along with Darnley) who wouldn't want to see the system he had heavily lobbied for (the self cert system) and had given Darnley his ticket........the same duo with one of them who got to see the missing original copy of cert 345138 (even though it had disappeared and never registered at the Board...lol) and Darnley who "hadn't registered" the cert 345138 and he can't recognise his own hand writing......



Now look at my drawing at the hearing, drawn on the white board at the hearing as I was explaining how the fumes would act.......fumes are hot and rise.......the higher the window the more chance for the wind to blow it back in......


I lost my home because of this, they terrorised my wife and ruined my reputation......ignoring real safety concerns......is this the way we want to go, are these the people we need telling us we are incompetent unless we do phoney CPD courses........


Is any of this sane....let alone reasonable........

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #192 on: February 18, 2015, 04:03:53 PM »
So here it is......even when they get it wrong.....they are right.....


There is no way what I did was dangerous and the investigator had every reason to go me and was far from impartial.....

So just like when they are proven to be wrong by photos and the laws of physics and in the Feds case of the RRC and all the other stuff, which was made legal so they could take 2 million from us illegally, made legal.......

You have seen the photos and infra red images........but it is me who pays the price to bolster their egos.....just wrong, plain wrong.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #193 on: February 18, 2015, 04:10:47 PM »
They say I exercised my right of appeal.......

which they tried to block at the appeal......

then I was shut down at the appeal apparently with the content of my submission ignored and was told I could not adduce any new evidence......

while they could adduce that they were a professional Board and should be given more weight to their opinions...because they know better......


You seen the photos .........do you think they know better?

You've seen some of the ignored evidence.......do you think they should be given more weight to their opinions?

What a crock......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #194 on: February 19, 2015, 03:53:38 PM »
hi guys, Badger some good news perhaps. This statement about the David Bain Compensation case.
..("The New Zealand public rightly expects the Government to make a decision with the full set of facts and reliable advice in front of them.
"A fresh look will safeguard the integrity of the process and reassure the public that Cabinet will act on the best advice available
).
  Could we apply it to the Board and your case? cheers


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