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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #240 on: March 10, 2015, 10:25:01 PM »
Remember Allgas, run by the Darnley's.......well read the evidence below, there is heaps.....



The thing is Nelson, it can take a good while for all the ducks to line up for an incident, Ron's chipshop took nearly 7 years.....

If there is anyone in Nelson who has any genuine concerns with work done by Darnley, I will come and check it, get a group together and I will come over from Takaka and donate time to get this fixed. It seems the government and the Board aren't concerned, well I am.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #241 on: March 10, 2015, 10:29:16 PM »
Sent to Nick Smith's PA today........

Please could you give me some indication of when I might receive a reply from Nick?

 

I am weighing up options about protesting and would like to give Nick the opportunity of reply before I go in that direction.

 

I hope you have taken my advice and checked if anyone you know in the Nelson area has had any work done by John Darnley, he was nothing short of a menace and had the worst attitude to safety I have ever met. His licence number is 16844, I believe all his certs should be checked.

 

I have attached the certificate for Nick, perhaps he could see if there is just one water heater heating the central heating and hot water, this is impossible without contamination.

 

 

I would be happy to accompany Nick to this address or met with him any time that is convenient to us both.


 

 

The people in Nelson voted this minister in......is it reasonable for him to look into it, in the constituency that he looks after, under the portfolio that he looks after......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #242 on: March 10, 2015, 10:31:30 PM »
I sent this in reply to this email below.....look a the date.....

From: Kate Dixon [mailto:Kate.Dixon@parliament.govt.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2015 11:46 a.m.
To: 'gasnsolarservices@gmail.com'
Subject: Response from the Office of the Minister for Building and Housing

 

Dear Mr Gee

 

On behalf of Hon Dr Nick Smith, Minister for Building and Housing, thank you for your email of 3 February 2015 regarding your dispute with the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board. 

 

Your comments have been noted and you may expect a reply in due course.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Kate Dixon

Ministerial Secretary

Office of Hon Dr Nick Smith

Minister for the Environment |  Minister for Building and Housing 

Ph: 817-6805  |  Fax: 817-6505




Perhaps some of you others can write to him too.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #243 on: March 13, 2015, 12:33:13 PM »
sent this to nick smith this morning

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #244 on: March 13, 2015, 01:38:40 PM »
I wonder if the Minister {BLANK SPACE} knows the investigation (set up) of Paul Gee cost over $250,000. It is the industries right to know the truth and if there was wrong doing the individuals should be held accountable. If a minister of the crown doesn't seek the truth then what is their worth?

Ministers are accountable to the people in one way or another so how about we all take a Saturday trip to the Nelson Market and protest in the Ministers back yard.   

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #245 on: March 13, 2015, 05:18:13 PM »
Thank you very very much Ford1, you don't know what it means to me and my missis, thank you.


Below is the response from the Minister, I don't see what would have taken over a month just to fob me off like this.


I am more than happy to protest outside his caravan in the Nelson Market, on his home patch in front of the people who he should be protecting form the shoddy work installed and certified by Darnley, empowered by a licence handed out like a membership to a club, DONE TO THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO VOTED HIM IN.......SHOCKING.


Please read a recent press release by the Board.....


An Auckland man has been convicted and fined $1050 after he falsely advertised himself as a trained plumber.
Jarron "Jazz" Lopez was convicted in the Auckland District Court on Tuesday for doing plumbing work without authorisation, misrepresenting himself as a plumber, and falsely advertising himself as a trained plumber on Builderscrack—a popular online forum for the public to seek the services of tradespeople.
Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board chief executive Max Pedersen said Lopez did not hold a plumbing licence when he completed sanitary plumbing work at a property in Remuera.
Lopez met the owners of the property at a local plumbing merchant store, told them he was a plumber, and provided them with advice on their current bathroom renovation project.
After this meeting, the homeowners hired Lopez to do plumbing work on bathroom renovations at the property.
Pedersen said plumbing, gasfitting and drainlaying were regulated industries and it was illegal to do this work unless authorised by the board.
"While New Zealand law allows anyone to purchase plumbing fittings, it is illegal to undertake any associated plumbing work without authorisation," he said.
"This type of dangerous work carried out by unauthorised people can cause injury and serious illness, as well as damage to property." 




We have had an explosion and the central heating system that is a huge legionnaires risk......Darnley didn't do an apprenticeship....but got his full ticket........WHATS THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS GUY ABOVE, EXCEPT THE BOARD GAVE HIM A LICENCE....FFS.

AND HERE IS MY POINT..... HOW COULD THE PEOPLE OF NELSON KNOW HOW INCOMPETANT DARNLEY WAS IF HE WAS A FULLY CERTIFIED GASFITTER AND A MEMBER OF THE NZ INSTITUTE OF GAS ENGINEERS


I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF BAD STUFF INSTALLED BY THIS IDIOT, I FIXED ALL I CAME ACROSS.......WHAT ABOUT THE STUFF STILL TICKING LIKE A BOMB.


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #246 on: March 13, 2015, 05:23:20 PM »
Lets organise a proper protest, mine is free as a base and I can pick people up from the airport, got a lot of room for tents. In box me some numbers and I am up for it.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #247 on: March 14, 2015, 09:20:59 AM »
If we can muster a similar turn out as we did for the protest when we had visiting royalty, all done properly, set up next to Mr Smiths caravan and let the people of Nelson (this very ministers own voters) know what risks the Board, empowered by this minister, is prepared to take with the safety of their families in their homes......... surely there would be a backlash and he would have to do something.

I can hand out a quick synopsis to passers by and then let them know why we charge like we do, to cover the ridiculous cost to practice our craft, and all the other stuff the Feds have shown these goons for.

The thing is these people of Nelson think that they had a certifying craftsman gasfitter/engineer who knew what he was doing he was a salesman with contacts....I can show you he didn't know shit from clay, I can prove the Board have covered up at the expense of the safety of the public, they still ignore to this day, it is wrong and the people would be appalled if they only knew.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #248 on: March 16, 2015, 11:24:30 AM »
Alot has been said about the FEW who have received their Certifying status unfairly. Has anyone else ever applied to have the need for an exam waived? If so, what is the procedure?, how did you get on and why don't we all try it?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #249 on: March 16, 2015, 05:28:03 PM »
Wombles mate, been there.....even though I had done a full gas service engineer apprenticeship with British Gas, I had to re sit everything except my practical gas craftsman paper, but still had to do the "accounting"paper though, then I had a dispensation to fit gas hot water plumbing, with TPR's and open vents, etc, but wasn't allowed to fit a toilet or outside tap, so I had to take off two weeks(when my son was convalescing from a major op) to prove that I could plumb and then do all the exams and then wait until I could sit my craftsman plumbing paper......

John Darnley got given his full ticket and a membership in NZIGE , then installs lots of shit.....and by shit I mean bad work, i.e. shit, for e.g...a central heating system off a califont with the same common/contaminated water for hot water, has all the evidence mentioned here for his involvement in an explosion.....


Who do the Board go after? Me!

I wonder why?    How would Tony Hammond look if the pillock he empowered after a chat blew someone up......its a f****in joke.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #250 on: March 16, 2015, 05:35:42 PM »
FYI, ME AND DARNLEY ARE BOTH FROM WALES......one of us had done an apprenticeship and the other has a "chat".......So what is the difference there then?


You all have to ask the question are you connected enough to "get away with it", I can assure you 99% of you will be steamrollered if it suits them.

I am ex president of Nelson Master Plumbers and was told I was "in"......I tried to do the right thing.....I got shafted....and people are still at risk, it is nothing else but bollocks, total and utter bollocks.
 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #251 on: March 16, 2015, 09:35:33 PM »
In my book anyone who backs or covers up corruption is by definition corrupt, this is never going to be fixed by sweeping it under the carpet.

I think if this goes undressed then it will make the people responsible worse. Think about it, it is human nature.... when someone gets away with something it emboldens them to do it more.....so who's next to assume the position, who have you pissed off, who have you won a tender in front of, perhaps you spoke out of turn, had the wrong tie on, farted even........

Do any of you want to live like this? You've heard them about "fixing" or "railroading" people......they can only do this behind closed doors, out in the open they got nothing.

Will this attitude make things better for business? your average tradesman? or kiwi? Confidence and integrity in a system is its strength, peoples belief in it.... is why it works.

Is it my fault for showing the faults or is it their fault for abusing their positions of power, willing to risk the safety of the people of NZ....our families, neighbours and friends? I don't believe I am the problem here.


I don't believe it will help NZ to leave it,  but will it make things better for the few power trippers, with too much already......sure it will, and if it goes unfixed it will be like a green light for them to do it again and again, and amass more and more.....I think it is very sad.

It needs fixing for everyone's sake.

I can see the emperor, his clothes aren't there, not a stitch on....he has his arse on show......and I think he looks ridiculous.




Go get some pants mate, its embarrassing.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #252 on: March 16, 2015, 09:51:20 PM »
Do me a favour...... just as your about to renew your licences at the end of the month, re-read this huge amount of evidence over, reflect on it then pay your money.....that couple of hundred bucks will seem a lot more.


Apparently Mr Pederson can shaft our industry like this......pontificate about untrained people risking the public......totally in the face of all this evidence.....then just walk away to count his money (over $200 000 per year, plus pension)......now that licence tastes like shite doesn't it? Paying for a piece of paper that allows you to crawl through shit and rubble to unblock pipes full of shit, while they hand them out to their mates......


They should be paying us to do this job, not leeching off it, it is parasitic. In the animal kingdom a creature that takes with out giving back, with no benefit to its host is a parasite....if it causes harm and pain.....well wikipedia says it best.....

Parasitism is a non-mutual symbiotic relationship between species, where one species, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other.......

Sound familiar?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #253 on: March 19, 2015, 09:46:55 PM »
Sent today to Nick Smiths PA...............







Hi Kate,

 

This reply, attached, from Nick Smith does not address the problems and concerns that I have raised.

 

Just how much integrity is lacking in this situation is shown by the fact that John Darnley was gifted a full certifying gas licence with no formal apprenticeship. Then when John Darnley was involved in an explosion, blowing someone up, I was framed for it…….And the Board have covered it up since, appointing the very same person to investigate the explosion, Tony Hammond…..who is the same person who gifted the licence to John Darnley in the first place.

 

I do not have the funds to take this to a judicial review and cannot afford legal advice. I am happy to attend any committee and I offer all my evidence to prove this cover up, but I cannot finance the policing of this dodgy set up, it has cost me in the 100’s of thousands already.

 

I would have thought that Nick Smith would want to protect the people who voted him in. The man responsible for all this dangerous work, worked for many years in the Nelson area, it is a real concern that this all goes un-investigated after an explosion nearly kills someone, but no one is held accountable after spending over $200,000.00.

 

A check of the amount of certificates issued by John Darnley would indicate the extent and potential volume of the dodgy installs; I believe the amount would shock you as he would sign anyone off.

 

There is blatant proof of this cover up widely available, which is being ignored. This is so wrong. It should be looked at before someone else gets hurt.

 

What happens if the radiators open this year at the site of the legionnaires risk (the central heating system that I have warned about for many years, please see attachments’), flooding the hot water outlets with stagnant water and the elderly occupier dies? What will a judicial review do to revive him?

 

Please send this schematic attached to a neutral expert and ask if this system has the potential to kill, also attached is the cert and address of this job, you’ll notice that this cert shows only one form of heating water with gas, it is impossible to do this with a califont, i.e. to heat the hot water AND heat radiators without contaminating the hot water. Potable and non potable water should never mix.

 

Perhaps Nick, or Campbell live, or anyone from the Labour party…. you could visit this house and check if he has just one califont heating the hot water and rads. The old guy doesn’t seem to care when I tried to warn him…..but what happens if the place is sold? Someone puts their kids in this shower? (Atomised/sprayed water containing legionnaires’ will affect the old and young much more than anyone else). It is to gamble with people’s lives to hope I am wrong and that this will go away.

 

 

Why does everyone protect Darnley? He made money out of putting people in danger, these jobs and sites aren’t going anywhere, they are getting worse with time as they deteriorate and breakdown with age. This is the tip of an iceberg I saw so many dodgy jobs.

 

I really don’t want anyone to be harmed; this is why I spoke up in the first place. I warned about dodgy certs covering dodgy work 6 years before dodgy work covered by a dodgy cert nearly killed some one in an explosion, this is a fact.

 

 

There are over 5000 reads for the evidence I have posted on the link below, or is it ok to have a corrupt Board framing innocent people who try to do the right thing? Please take the time to read this wealth of evidence laid out for all to see.

 

http://www.plumbers.co.nz/forum/?topic=1810.new#new

 

 

Regards Paul Gee.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #254 on: March 20, 2015, 06:21:17 AM »

So the Board has a vision???? Have a read of this stream of evidence and compare the delusional hypocrisy.....


Perhaps they have double vision....lol. Jerks.


Vision and Values

a. Vision: The Plumbers, gasfitters, and Drainlayers Board (PGDB) exists so that, in respect of the provision of sanitary plumbing, gasfitting, and drainlaying services, the health and safety of members of the public is protected without undue cost.

b. Values:

i. Fairness

ii. Impartiality

iii. Transparency

iv. Trustworthyness


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