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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #255 on: March 20, 2015, 10:25:53 AM »
Badger, have you thought of taking this up with Winston Peters.  He seems quite against people who are wronged. At the recent meetings in Northland it would seem that he alone (of all MP's) has integrity. Worth a try.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #256 on: March 20, 2015, 05:19:33 PM »
I have tried every single MP in Parliament, but I will try again.....and again and again...

The worst part is they seem to not want to open Pandora's box and are hoping this will go away.....but this guys work is still there ticking away, I have seen it.....all of the really bad ones I put right (approx five or six a year)....no one wants to know because they aren't dangerous any more!!


Sadly it will probably take another incident, then they will look for another scapegoat.......I just hope and pray I am wrong, but I have seen too much to doubt it.....I truly believe it is a matter of time, just like last time.....Remember I spent 6 years warning last time....BEFORE THE EXPLOSION......but then they framed me for it.

You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #257 on: March 20, 2015, 09:13:15 PM »
Politician's? Ha, As a rule they have no honesty, no integrity and certainly do not work in the interests of the majority of voters.

 As for Mr Peters I remember well a certain Wine box he sold out on,
 perhaps things might be a lot different now if he had not.

It is the Industry as a whole that has to stand up and have a voice collectively. That cannot be ignored, downplayed or passed off as a 'bunch of malcontents' & swept under the carpet.

The Socialist slogan  'United we stand, Divided we fall' is as relevant now as it was back in the day.

''Never have so many been fooled by so few''
Plumbing is not a career it is a disease....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #258 on: March 21, 2015, 12:11:18 PM »
I totally agree mate, any ideas what we can do?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #259 on: March 23, 2015, 05:14:13 PM »
hi guys,

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #260 on: March 24, 2015, 07:59:41 PM »



Judicial review over CTV engineer investigation
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By Hon Dr Nick Smith

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The Government has lodged an application before the High Court to seek a judicial review of the decision by the Institute of Professional Engineers of New Zealand (IPENZ) to drop its investigation into Dr Alan Reay’s role in the design of the CTV building, with the documents served to Dr Reay this afternoon.

“The collapse of the CTV building during the 22 February 2011 earthquake resulted in the tragic death of 115 people and rates as one of New Zealand’s worst engineering failures. We owe it to the memory of those who lost their lives to hold those responsible to account for the building’s flawed design, and to ensure every possible lesson is learnt by the engineering profession to minimise the future risk,” Dr Smith says.

“We are taking this judicial review because we believe the decision to drop the investigation into Dr Alan Reay after he resigned from IPENZ was flawed. We want the decision overturned and IPENZ to complete the investigation into the professional conduct of Dr Reay’s role in the design of the CTV building.”

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment’s Chief Engineer lodged a complaint with IPENZ in 2012, sparking the IPENZ investigation. Dr Reay resigned from IPENZ on 28 February 2014 and consequently IPENZ discontinued the disciplinary processes against him, as IPENZ considered it no longer had jurisdiction to deal with a former member. A subsequent decision by the High Court in September 2014 regarding Mr David Harding, the other engineer involved in the design of the CTV building, ruled that an investigation and disciplinary hearing could continue even when a member resigned.

The proceedings filed in the High Court seek to set aside the decision by IPENZ to dismiss the complaint so that the disciplinary investigation can proceed. This proceeding is separate to the complaint that is currently being heard by IPENZ that Dr Alan Reay failed to disclose his involvement in the CTV building when he sought renewal of his registration as a Chartered Professional Engineer in 2012.

“It is important that we clarify the law as to whether a professional can avoid disciplinary proceedings by simply resigning. Completing the IPENZ investigation will also be important in clarifying the professional standards expected of a senior engineer supervising the work of a more junior engineer,” Dr Smith says.

“The proceedings are complementary and not an alternative to reforms to improve the regulation of professional engineering. We released a discussion paper late last year on proposed changes and, after we have considered submissions, will be progressing with legislative change.”

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #261 on: March 28, 2015, 11:06:01 AM »
So Dr Smith says that......


“It is important that we clarify the law as to whether a professional can avoid disciplinary proceedings by simply resigning. Completing the IPENZ investigation will also be important in clarifying the professional standards expected of a senior engineer supervising the work of a more junior engineer,” Dr Smith says.

I agree Mr Smith.....


Please can someone explain how can Darnley face a charge for an explosion but then it disappears?.....well he did resign from the gas arm of IPENZ see news letter from NZIGE the gas arm of IPENZ.......funny that......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #262 on: March 28, 2015, 11:18:49 AM »
Also you have to ask how can someone who hasn't even sat an apprenticeship can not only get his full craftsman licence but he can also have the connections to become a member of an engineering organisation, which I am guessing you have to be an engineer to join?

Now if you were the person who gifted this muppet a full licence and was responsible for investigating an explosion....who would you rather do for the explosion, the person you gave a licence to after just a chat..... or frame some stoodge?

Not to mention that Mr Hammond was the very same person who lobbied for the self cert system, the same system that was run so badly that it had to carry a disclaimer.....FFS.

I complained to the Board about Mr Hammond's appointment to be the "impartial" investigator, Mr Hammond then went on to misrepresent evidence and hide photos that proved what I had said was true.


Have a read of the transcript of my attempt to stay proceedings and apply all the evidence that is listed on this stream.......have a rad of who presided over this hearing.....who knew most of this evidence.......




Now apply it to a job you may have made a mistake on, or someone has altered your work (as happened to me)....and it blows up or hurts someone.........ARE YOU PREPARED TO LOOSE EVERYHTING?

I tried for 6 years to fix this BFORE the explosion......that's fair aye!



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #263 on: March 28, 2015, 11:40:30 AM »
So lets have a look at the presiding Board members....bare in mind I was an ex president of nelson Master Plumbers


Mr Mark Whitehead - Chair     Master Plumber

Mr Peter Jackson                   Master Plumber

Mr Stephen Parker                 GANZ and NZIGE later to be the chair of the hearing which he stopped just as I was nearly proven innocent

Mr William Irvine
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Mr Graham Hardie                  Master Plumber

Tony Hammond NZIGE GANZ Investigator supposedly "impartial" which is total bullshit.....he is one dirty little turd.





So your gamble is....... and remember you can't do anything about who visits your work after you have installed it......are you more connected than the other guy.......is this the type of disciplinary system you want to gamble your livelihood and reputation on, even your family.....I am blessed with an absolute angel of a wife and am very lucky she didn't think f**** this for a laugh and walked out, believe me she was put through enough to leave.....then these morons would have seen some carnage believe me.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #264 on: March 28, 2015, 11:53:02 AM »
The thing is I don't even think they were protecting Darnley, although he was connected enough to get given a licence and be welcomed as a member of NZIGE, they were protecting themselves.....the ones who allowed the flippant issuing of a full certifying gas fitting licence and a cert system run so bad they were accepting certs with no test results or signatures, etc some certs being highlighted of this essential information with highlight pen....I kid you not I got the copies.

They threatened me with a handwriting expert, but ignores Darnley when he says he don't recognise his own handwriting......dodgy as...


Someone nearly dies and they covered it up while the poor sod was recovering in a burns unit......remember this......below



Vision and Values

a. Vision: The Plumbers, gasfitters, and Drainlayers Board (PGDB) exists so that, in respect of the provision of sanitary plumbing, gasfitting, and drainlaying services, the health and safety of members of the public is protected without undue cost. they had no problem with spending $250 000 to terrorise my family

b. Values:

i. Fairness ignoring evidence and photos

ii. Impartiality stacking the hearing with their cabal of dodgy mates, even having the chair and investigator who are thick as thieves

iii. Transparency not being fully up front with info, relationships and hiding evidence

iv. Trustworthyness See the above and apply it to this bullshit press release





It is the opposite of this that they publically pontificate about.....are you enjoying being treated like a bunch of fools?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #265 on: March 30, 2015, 08:50:11 PM »
So all these Master Plumbers who not only stood by and watched me get screwed over and framed for something I did not do, while the real guilty walk away, with no one held responsible......and I was an ex Nelson President of Master Plumbers..........

Well I think they ignored their own rules....from the "rule" book attached below....


Members will not criticise another's workmanship or pricing policies

Now all these people stood by and not only criticised my work, but watched me get set up.....

Now I down loaded this copy of rules ... 29 10 12

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #266 on: March 30, 2015, 08:54:48 PM »
Now compare the past rules with the new ones, attached, Master Plumber's Rules-passed-at-AGM-23 03 12.


Have a look for the rule about....Members will not criticise another's workmanship or pricing policies.....I am having trouble finding it, it seems more concerned with logo's and van stickers to me



So what would this tell you about the hierarchies' future intentions for their "fellow" members......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #267 on: March 30, 2015, 08:58:32 PM »
Please can someone explain this change of direction to me.....

I brought these rules up at the "impartiality" hearing.....and they just ignored their own rules and screwed me over......so what is the point of rules if you don't abide by them?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #268 on: March 31, 2015, 10:14:01 PM »
Perhaps a Master Plumber member could explain their take on this direction or perhaps ask those that signed off on these new rules?

I am pretty sure that someone from the MP hierarchy reads this forum, I mean they tried to take me to a Master Plumber disciplinary tribunal, AFTER, the kangaroo court hearing.... for comments made on this forum, this forcing me to hand in my resignation from MP.

You see I thought Master Plumbers was a fraternity with morals and standards that promoted safety and compliance, I suppose I got that wrong. 

Perhaps one of the people on the Master Plumber's discipline committee, from the threatened disciplinary mentioned above, could explain?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #269 on: April 03, 2015, 11:14:12 AM »
So the Boards promised reply date is today, nothing received.....a broken promise by the Board.....whats new?

Sent this morning.



Mr Pederson,

 

I understand you are resigning; please can you let me know to whom I should complain to at the Board about my historical issues and this new issue of the lack of a promised response by the 3 of April 2015, as the date of this promise is today. With it being Easter I am guessing nothing will be done until the holiday period is over.

 

Ms Adair, I am complaining in this email to the Ombudsman about this ignoring of a promised response date mentioned in this letter, I feel it reflects the attitude and ability of these people. Perhaps there is something in Mr Darnley’s file that the Board would rather stay hidden. Perhaps those with more clout than me copied in could check?

 

Please can you also inform me of the progress of the other points in my complaints mention in this letter attached?

 

The health and safety of the NZ public has been put in jeopardy by those entrusted with its safe keeping, this is reprehensible. I have a wealth of evidence, I will share it with any one that is interested or cares.

 

Regards Paul Gee



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