A Board has to be fair transparent and honest, it HAS to be (ethically and legally).....if they can do this to one of us, then they can do this to every single one of you.....

We HAVE a defunct body of faulty gas certs.......do any one of you think that if it came down to the Board being given the choice (and believe me it is totally in their power to choose)  of facing any repercussions for their actions and total mismanagement of that defunct system.....or....hanging anyone of you out to dry......which way do you think they will go.....

I KNOW which way.....

I have blatant evidence, I have run their corrupt gauntlet, I WON hands down I have proven I am 100% innocent, publically at that too boot....but they still manipulated it so that I lost everything...

How will you fair in a system like that?

Remember all that work you did and didn't photograph it?

Are you sure the work hasn't been changed?

Are Board going to claim never to have received your cert, or even say they did when you haven't done the work?

Is your boss f****ing you over and more connected than you are?


You will never have a better chance than this to get fair play and SHOW these goons they can't do this to anyone of us, none of US.


Or you can roll the dice and take your chances, that if it ever happens to you, that they will play fair and not f**** you over and they will fall on their sword and take one for you......this WILL NOT HAPPEN, believe!

I can't afford to take them to court and I can not find a lawyer to work pro bono....

So the way our system works murderers, rapists and child molesters have more access to legal aid and a defence than I do.....(Wal and the Feds are awesome might I add and if I didn't have them as a support then I would have gone down the river like all those before me).

But unless you can employ a lawyer, you can't take them to court, never mind the way the system is levelled in their favour and the political clout they have.....

YOU ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD...GUILTY UNTIL YOU PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT.....there is not plain right and wrong, they treat everything you say as a lie, I had evidence withheld and misrepresented, they spent SEVEN time more chasing me than my old boss......I was a ex president for Nelson Mater Plumbers.....So the mater plumbers who screwed me over went against their own rules and ethics........

BUT NUMBERS IN PUBLIC, now that's a different matter......

I have concerns over the High Court appeal process and how it carried out too....

The investigators lawyer tried to prevent my right of appeal, the appeal which cost me $5000.00 just to lodge......where I was only allowed to talk about the window measurement and wasn't allowed to adduce any new evidence......evidence like one of the other authors of the NZ regs saying I could use another countries regs and the actual British Regs that proved what I had done would have been ok in the UK, with OVER 60 MILLION PEOPLE FITTING THEIR WATER HEATERS 40MM CLOSER THAN THE ONE THAT LOST ME MY BUSINESS....

Even though I went 95% innocent the Board went in my local paper and said they hade concerns over my work and responsibilities in signing work off.....the same Board who totally cocked up the cert system to the extent that it had to carry a disclaimer!!!


When we said the letter that told total untruths about my issuing illegal certs in Northland (a place I have never been to, but it is where a guy signed 560 blank certs, and a case involved in it is STILL before the Board, with his son gifted a certifying license just like my old boss was)....well when we said this letter sent to all the sites of my additional charges was fabricated .... WE  got told off......


You think you'll get fairness, think again......they will learn from this and they will polish their game.....


Think on it......they have a lawyer as a Registrar now, like they didn't have enough lawyers already....

Martin Sawyers, the new CO said in the NZ Plumbers mag....

"I believe in a disciplinary system that is fair, risk based and proportionate"


So is it fair to have appointed as the investigator (even after I complained), the same Tony Hammond who gifted my boss his full certifying license with no apprenticeship served?

Was it fair to spend seven times as much chasing me than my old boss?

Was it fair to ignore the cert for the pizza oven, even when it is mentioned in the DOL complaint by number, saying it was never registered by my old boss with the Board.....with all available copies missing the leak test results....and a copy on the Boards electronic register?

Was it fair to withhold over 100 photos when they proved what I had said for two years?

Was it fair to change half of the charges just weeks out from he hearing?

Was it fair to have the investigators mate chair the hearing, then shut it down just as I was going to go 100% innocent?

Ignoring a legionnaires risk, is this risk based management?

Is it proportionate for my to loose everything for something I had tried to warn about for 6 years before it exploded?

Is it proportionate for Martin Sawyers opening comment to me when he first met me in person to say "you're only after money"?


Sorry martin, your public statement carries no water with me mate!!!


Do you trust this guy?....he knows full well what happened to me......and he goes and says that to your face.........

I think it is insulting to you all......

I DON'T FIT UNDER CARPETS

Sent just now, as I do not believe in sniping at someone from the shadows....and I am not a hypocrite.....


 

Today at 12:17 PM 







 Mr Sawyers,




Please can you explain, in light of my persecution and being set up as a scapegoat and the subsequent kangaroo court and also the Board ignoring a legionnaires risk.... your intention of the statment below, attributable to you in the NZ Plumber's mag. It is from my experience an untruth.




Please do not, as you have to my face, use the excuse that your the new guy and it had nothing to do with you....you are the CO of a continuous membership Board and to not address past corruption is to condone it.





"I believe in a disciplinary system that is fair, risk based and proportionate"




My premeditated corrupt treatment, with over 7 times as much spent persecuting me than on my old boss shows that this statement is empty if you do not act on my accusations of corruption.




As I believe in transparency and facing up to my accusations and not hiding in the shadows I have attached this link, and I will post this email in the same forum.







While I have your ear and you being a lawyer, please can you explain the relevance of child sexual abuse case notes being used in my case, sent under a blank wrapper with no warning of their vile content and read by my wife while she was alone in he home and about to loose that home. In what context or relevance is this acceptable?




http://www.plumbers.co.nz/forum/fellow-practitioners-update/41/fellow-practitioner-issue-236-dated-12-december-2014/1810/msg9945#msg9945










Yours so very sincerely Paul Gee.

Corruption needs to be stamped out, pulled out into the open and shown for what it is.....


I believe to not address past corruption and try to cover it up or try to pretend it didn't happen, just prolongs the corruption and tells those that follow it is acceptable.....


There isn't a law in the land that says "corruption, well its ok if you now people!".....if there is then I would love a look at it.


The thing is in an open forum, they can't bully and they can't set you up.....safety for us is in the open and with everyone watching,

 
RIGHT IS MIGHT....


or we have nothing, nothing but empty promises and bullshit.

So Mr sawyers thinks I am just after money.....well this is not true......

(Martin, I know you'll be reading this, this says more about you and your attitude and goals than mine)....So your a boxer aren't you?....me too.....fancy raising some money for the Ronald McDonald House for children? You've met me and I have met you, fancy some charity work?, you work for a charity already....more for tax purpose's though I know, but you got the training in, next fight for life mate?

I would accept vouchers to a decent collage for my sons, if Martin wants to he can set up a viable business then hand it to my sons, he can if he likes pay for counselling for my traumatised wife and then invent and finance a time machine so I can relive two years of my sons lives that I had to work away for, after I had my life robbed from me....any parents will understand how precious the 4 and 6 years are....oh and the years 5 and 7 years.... I HAD to work away for most of those years, these are priceless.

All of this was mine and was mine to give to my family.....just before the Board set me up and tried to use me to cover up their own short comings....

All I want is to be where I was before the Board corruptly screwed me over.....not ahead....but where I was....I'll do the rest.



I am serious about the charity work mate, love to....

Here's another statement from Mr Sawyers....

"It is simply not appropriate for me to revisit decisions made in the past which have been the subject of proper and lawful findings by the Board and/or any other agency or body"

My emphasis in bold...

I completely agree with this statement.....if, giant IF I had been subject to "proper and lawful" process...I don't believe the persecution is proper and lawful.....well in a civilised society it shouldn't be proper and lawful.....

You see I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to with hold evidence....

I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to with hold evidence....

I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to have a stacked hearing where the investigator, the panel and the chair are biased...

I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to have the real culprit face a charge then have it "disappear" before trial...

I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to ignore missing leak test results at the site of an explosion....

I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to spend seven times more perusing the person who tried to warn about dodgy certs covering dodgy work.....than the other person who ALL the evidence points to.....

There is lots and lots more, you have heard some of it before....

 I do not believe it is "proper and lawful" to cover this up either......



So how much weight can you put in the statements released by this guy?

He publically states.....


"I believe in a disciplinary system that is fair, risk based and proportionate"




I don't believe you mate.....