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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #390 on: October 21, 2015, 05:55:18 PM »
Oh yes I have never been to Northland....but someone who was responsible for this....well his case is still before the Board.....hmmm funny that!
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #391 on: October 22, 2015, 09:03:15 PM »
In their own words its normal practice to send child sexual abuse case note in a plumbing context....so as a heads up guys...if or when this dirt comes after you tell your wife or office staff not to open the mail from the Board....see attached


I think it reflects more there mettle to sink to any low to win an "argument".....I believe it was done to intimidate me.....


People wonder why I am spewing and will NEVER let this go.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #392 on: October 22, 2015, 09:43:09 PM »
Here's a good one and a recent one.....

I asked for some info by means of an OIA request....I was quoted an obscene amount of money, so I asked for a break down of costs......

Apparently the first quote was wrong!

Some documents were apparently "duplicated"......and so the new price was less..... with some of the originally quoted "documents" not included.....

They have sent duplicate documents before.....hmmm I wonder?





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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #393 on: October 22, 2015, 10:14:16 PM »
Hi Paul I hope you are sending them a bill for all the work that you have done to clear your name. They have got a dam cheek to ask for payment they should just hand the papers over, good luck mate

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #394 on: October 22, 2015, 10:27:20 PM »
Cheers Robbo......another night missed while the wife watches a film and I am tippy tapping on the lappy....


Sent tonight.....

Mr Sawyers,

 

By way of an OIA request please can I get a full copy of Darnley’s file that I requested some time ago, the one that is referred to as “extensive” by Mr Uren at my hearing, not the part file that has been recently supplied nor the very limited file sent by Mr O’Connell, which has some info that is missing from the one you sent, see attached.
 

Please see attached my original OIA request mentioned in a Board reply. You will notice this was back in April and the time limit of 20 working days expired some time ago. Please don’t send any duplicate info that was recently already sent.
 

Also by way of another OIA request, please can you tell me which documents were duplicated in the recent file release that you supplied, I can not make the pages add up to 41, please can you clarify by means of showing me which ones were duplicated.
 

Also in this correspondence my complaints have still yet to be answered and I am still to be told how Darnley managed to get his full certifying/craftsman license.
 

Please can you also explain why 220k was spent on my case and less than 30k on investigating Darnley, and also how could the charge Darnley faced for the Milton Street explosion not make his hearing? As mentioned in attachments Doc 7 Disappearing charge.
 

Thank you.

 

Paul Gee.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #395 on: October 22, 2015, 10:33:26 PM »
The shear arrogance of this letter is astounding......please explain PGDB

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #396 on: October 23, 2015, 06:21:07 AM »
What changed Mr Smith, see attached in a letter to Patsy Wong and another sent just before my hearing.....Patsy had to resign because of......

Pansy Wong has announced her resignation from Parliament saying the row over her use of her travel perk has been an unfair distraction to the Government and she wants to concentrate on her family.


God we have had a run of "right honourable" people.....


These letters were written before my kangaroo court, the Board had a 100% success record in getting a conviction, which they openly gloated over....so Mr Smith has never been in a more influential position to sort this mess....what changed?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #397 on: October 23, 2015, 06:28:44 AM »
In Nick Smiths own words......the explosion could have been averted if they had listened to my warnings!!!!


But it was me who had my wife terrorised, lost my business and reputation and time with my two young awesome sons.....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #398 on: October 23, 2015, 06:43:08 AM »
I'll let you know what Nick says.....

Hi Nick,

 

I have proven that the PGDB did set me up as a scape goat, the Board to this very day are still protecting Darnley, I have further proof that it was in all probability Darnley who fitted the fryers and denied his own handwriting to the non impartial investigator, not to mention the sale of the very hose that caused the explosion….after I left his employ.

 

My so called hearing was a sham, biased and conflicted. Please can you explain what has changed in your opinion to my situation since your writing of these letters?

 

If anything your opinions in these letters have actually been proven, beyond doubt in my mind.

 

I look forward to your reply, I would be happy to visit your caravan if you would like to discuss these letters further.

 

Yours Sincerely Paul Gee

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #399 on: October 24, 2015, 08:29:49 AM »
The replies to this email sent this morning will give you an indication of how much things have changed and what you can expect if they go after you.....


From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2015 8:05 a.m.
To: 'john.key@national.org.nz'; 'Info'; 'Registrar'; 'complaints@pgdb.co.nz'; 'communications@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Janis Adair'; 'Andrew.McCaw@ombudsmen.parliament.nz'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Allan Day'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Lyndon Moffitt'; 'john.key@national.org.nz'; 'Andrew Little'; 'Ann Hunn'; 'Nick 4 Nelson'; 'paul@paulhenry.co.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; Craig Hooper - Coolhead Productions Ltd; 'Office of Sarah Dowie MP'; 'probono@equaljusticeproject.co.nz'; 'Paul Luxton'; 'PGDB Competency Based Licensing'; 'bryngee@hotmail.com'; 'Brendan Horan'; 'b.english@ministers.govt.nz'; 'Barry Forman'; 'clayton.cosgrove@parliament.govt.nz'; 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'johnscarry@xtra.co.nz'; 'Neal and Joan Gauntlett'; 'news@tvnz.co.nz'
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Dear Prime Minister,

 

……and others copied in.

 

Please take the time to read this email it involves corruption that risks the NZ public’s health and safety. This is but the tip of a very large grimy ice burg. To not act on this, is to roll the dice with the people of this country’s safety, I ask you to call me on this. I believe the PGDB have and are trying to cover up a very badly administered gas certificate and licensing system.
 

Some one nearly died in an explosion and even though I had tried to warn about dodgy certs covering dodgy work for 6 years before, I was singled out….I believe singled out BECAUSE I had tried to warn about this.
 

My wife and I were subjected to a premeditated witch-hunt and have lost our business and our reputation and we were financially forced to sell our “only just” renovated, mortgage free very modest home in a very modest area, we owned all our vehicles and had no debt what so ever other than our monthly account at the plumbing suppliers. Our goal was to enjoy our young family.
 

I had spent many years and a huge amount of money re-qualifying my trade, re-sitting exams and practical assessments, because even though NZ had a shortage of gasfitters and plumbers advertised on the immigration lists, very little of my fully trained apprenticeship was recognised by the Board.
 

Our business finally died when the Board sent out a letter to all the additional sites of charges to an explosion, one of these letters had most impact, it was to the local high school in the then main centre of business. This letter said I was issuing illegal gas certs in Northland; I have never been to Northland.
 

The Board have since apologised for this letter but the damage has been done, the Board also offered us $500.00 for this too, but I told them to donate this money to Ronald McDonald house in CHCH, I don’t believe they did this.
 

After the Board’s biased and slanted hearing I was forced to work away, my wife and young sons spent the first 16 weeks of my absence living in a caravan with no running drinking water, nor a flushing toilet, my wife emptied the caravan toilet cassette at the local i-site and refilled water bottles for them to have drinking water. She never moaned once to me about this. My kids were toddlers.
 

In fact she went pretty quiet for the months leading up to the hearing and just after the hearing, she went quiet just after receiving child sexual abuse case notes to prove a point in a plumbing context, after all we had been through she found it very threatening and I found her hysterical. She opened the unmarked package at home with no indication of the filth inside on its outside wrapper and very little clear explanation of why it was sent on the inside….After all we had been through she thought, in her hysteria, that it was some sort of threat. I found her this way when I came home. We had had the Board hanging over our head for over 2 years.
 

After this kangaroo court, I worked away for two years, and lost two years out of our young son’s lives. I spent this two years going from job to job, living for months at a time in a caravan on an industrial site, bed and breakfasts and spent months living in a workshop, depending on where I could find work.
 

My trade was stolen from me, even though I am a fully qualified certifying/craftsman plumber and gasfitter with a limited trade electrical license I struggle to find a decent employer within my trade and have worked for two years as a trainee in a totally different industry, where I am reminded daily that I am new and know little about this new industry. 
 

My “punishment” is far longer and deeper than the Board’s official one dealt out after the hearing, the hearing where the hearing chair shut it down just as I was going to go 100% innocent, shut down by the friend and confidant of the so called impartial investigator, the same impartial investigator who gifted my ex boss, John Darnley his full certifying/craftsman licence with no formal apprenticeship served. Of Note this last charge out of 44 charges laid has recently been ignored in another case, so even by the Board’s own reckoning I did nothing wrong what so ever.
 

This is the same boss I had complained about for the six years before the explosion, complaining about dodgy certs covering dangerous work, complained for 6 years before the explosion.
 

This explosion was caused by a third hose sold to supply two fryers, this third hose was sold because the initial one had split before, it was sold after I worked there. Please see “3rd hose receipt” and “letter of period of employment”…..please compare the dates.
 

John Darnley denied his own handwriting on the job card for these fryers, please see attachments. I say this because two people have checked one sample of the hand writing on this job card for the fryers that caused the explosion and a signed sample of Darnley’s handwriting. One of these people is a very experienced investigator and the other the only hand writing expert in NZ, if media releases are to be believed. Please see in attachments.
 

All this evidence is available to the Board, but they appear not to want to go after the person that all the evidence point to.
 

This apparent approach has been from the get go, the Dept of Labour actually complained about a certain certificate 345138 in their complaint made after the explosion, see attached.
 

Now the Board claim that this cert 345138 was never received by them, see attached.
 

But the so called impartial investigator says he saw the original, see attached….which is true?
 

There is also a copy of cert 345138 on the Boards Fox Pro system. Of Note ALL copies available show a lack of a record of a test for gas leaks….at the site of an explosion, caused by a gas leak.
 

I tried to prevent a situation for 6 years before an explosion nearly killed someone, a situation that I now am still paying for daily, I am 100% innocent.
 

I have gone to the Ombudsman and waited over two years for him to use his discretion and not investigate it, I do not believe this is fair and feel that the word “An Illusion of” should be added to their motto of Fairness for “All”.
 

No body will look at the legionnaire’s case I have also tried for years to get addressed, please see attached. This address is in the Minister responsible for this Nick Smith, this all happened in his constituency, the people who voted him in, were and I believe still are at risk from this mans work.
 

Well now you all know just some of the cover up and corruption that has and I believe is still done at a risk to the NZ public. And the huge cost it has had on an innocent family that came to NZ for a better life for our kids.
 

I bring your attention to a press release by Phil Routhan, the ex Board member and CEO of the Board. See attached titled “A former chief exec”.
 

I admit it does appear that Mr Routhan’s comments made on the state and mismanagement of the PGDB’s FoxPro cert system is a manipulation of a situation for his own ends, in trying to keep/reclaim his job. But please remember he was very, very informed and had a huge amount of access to the FoxPro system and had a lot of experience in the trades. It is reprehensible that it happened under his watch and even worse that he held on to it for his own ends, but that does not make it untrue, I believe he would not have made these claims if they were unsubstantiated.
 

I agree with Mr Routhan’s comments about the danger, and have been trying air these concerns for well over a decade, BEFORE the explosion.
 

I think the Ombudsman and copied in ministers owe it to the NZ public to push to have this looked in to, this would be fair.
 

An open transparent independent inquiry is well over due, please before anyone gets hurt.
 

If you request, and provide me an email that will accept, and I am not exaggerating here, a massive amount of evidence I will provide to back these claims. Because of the corrupt actions inflicted on my family by these people I am not in a financial position to take this to court, but I still have my voice. Please listen.
 

I ask you Dr Smith, with all due respect, what has changed in your opinion expressed in these letters attached, if anything your fears have been substantiated and proven beyond doubt, I am still the hard working, honest responsible man whom you met, what has changed for you? If anything now that you are the very minister responsible for this portfolio and its is in your constituency…. there is no-one better placed to deal with this corruption.
 

 

Yours Sincerely Paul Gee

 

 

 

 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #400 on: October 24, 2015, 08:35:16 AM »
....this is the receipt for the hose that actually caused the explosion, compare the dates to the period of my employment....


I got this from the Board's own evidence for my hearing......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #401 on: October 24, 2015, 08:58:19 AM »




And to the Board and Mr Sawyers....I will happily get on with my life when I get it back and you put the NZ health and safety first and foremost with integrity and credability....but until then I ain't going anywhere.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #402 on: October 24, 2015, 09:52:40 AM »
You would think that any of the people copied in or the Board would be horrified at the very risk or hint of corruption......


But the Board's new registrar is of the opinion that it didn't happen when he was there so it doesn't count.....but it is a continuous membership Industry Board.....which has celebrated it 100th year of being.....not its 100th new member nor 100th incarnation.....

To ignore it is to cover it up....and be party to that cover up and corruption....I believe anyone who ignores corruption is corrupt.....Have a look at the people who definitely know about it.....you judge.

And you can be assured if they ignore this then there is a good chance of it happening to you in the future.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #403 on: October 24, 2015, 09:58:06 AM »
Now don't forget someone nearly died and spent two weeks in a burns unit, while they covered it up....

I know of at least one other potentially life threatening home, interfered with by this dodgy bastard....he was very busy in my area for a long time too....

I have seen loads of dodgy certs and the Boards own fox pro system carries a accuracy disclaimer.....

Now the gas cert system is a shambles......


What's the odds on you running this gauntlet next? Pretty feckin high I would say....


But the Registrar thinks your all happy with it because you didn't turn up at his little tour....


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #404 on: October 26, 2015, 09:23:22 AM »

From the Board's news letter issued in March 2009, the chipshop exploded in April 2009(within the weeks after making this statement)

....the so called "non registration" by Darnley of cert 345138 was also discovered in April 2009(this is for the pizza oven, the last work done at the site of the explosion)....

this same Tony Hammond, mentioned below, is the investigator appointed by the Board, he is the same guy who gifted Darnley his full license.....and is the same guy who only showed the 11 or so photos, out of over 100 forensic photos taken....the ones not used showed the pipe had been moved (as evidenced by the f****ing holes in the wall from the clips).....

Of note out of the 11 photos used by Hammond was for the hose for pizza oven of cert 345138.


Replacement for
Gas Appliances –
Tony Hammond
The Gas Regulations (REG 24) define, amongst others, that the
following require certification:
Extensions, additions and replacements to existing gas installations
Alterations that result in repositioning of pipework or changes to the
operation of the installation

It is worth noting that an installation is defined in the Gas Act as
“including a gas appliance”.
Therefore, replacement of one appliance by another, even if very
similar, requires certification.
Further weight is added to the argument when one considers that
even a “like for like” replacement needs to be adjusted to ensure
gas pressure and aeration are set appropriately, the connections are
gastightness and the safety devices operate at the right levels; that
is, the appliance needs to be commissioned in accordance with clause
1.6.7 of NZS 5261.


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