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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #405 on: October 26, 2015, 09:52:39 AM »
the connections are
gastightness and the safety devices operate at the right levels; that
is, the appliance needs to be commissioned in accordance with clause
1.6.7 of NZS 5261.


So Hammond says this in the PGDB newsletter.....BUT.....


....is ok with Darnley selling a third hose after the initial installation (sold after I left), replacing the first hose because it split because someone (definitely not me and in all probability Darnley) lowered the pipe work AND added a pizza oven AND changed all the gas cylinder installation (as evidenced by the receipts and photos).....AND THEN not registering it with the Board....BUT issuing all the carbon copies out to the gas supplier (who was also Darnley) and the customer....


Now the original of cert 345138 was seen by the investigator (according to his own report, see attached)..... and it appears on the Board's website (see attached)....but when the poor blast victims lawyer goes to the Board with the carbon copy in his hand and askes for the original....its gone!  claimed by the Board within days of the blast to have never been received.... who's not telling the truth.....either way I was dealing with and being shafted by a person or people who dealing untruths or are so incompetent/hopeless that they see things that are not there....


IT APPEARS THAT THE LAST PERSON TO SEE CERT 345138 WAS TONY HAMMOND...is he the shredder dun dun derrrrr!....the same guy who lobbied for the self cert system and gifted Darnley his license......Darnley is the guy who showed the flaws in the system that Hammond lobbied for.....empowered by the Board's flippant issuing of a license, endorsed by Hammond's oral exam...gifted to Darnley....is this impartial, is it f****.....please explain to me how this guy, Hammond, can (and he never did) act with impartiality..... without implicating himself......All done against my complaints about this...

BUT MARTIN SAWYERS THINKS I SHOULD MOVE ON, GET ON WITH MY LIFE.....give it back mate and I will....I want nothing more....


Of Note.... here is the "check" that we have lost....the carbon copy, 4 independently issued, but identical hard paper copies.....with handwriting to check its authenticity.....now we have passwords and printers....


If they are willing to ignore and cover this up.....what will you get in the future?


It is a f****ing shambles......
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #406 on: October 26, 2015, 10:10:41 AM »
Look at the dates on this, the chippy exploded on the 9th April 2009......So the non registration of the cert 345138 was known days after the explosion......cert 345138 is actually mentioned by number in the Dept of Labour complaint, see attached.....

I asked for a copy of the original of cert345138 in the days after my hearing (3rd 4th and 5th of May 2011)......the thing is you don't see a half of the tirade levelled against you until your in the dock.....then after the kangaroo court adjourns......you can't adduce any new evidence.....where's that "dealing with unreasonable people" policy gone....



 ........AND DARNLEY FACES A CHARGE......FOR THE EXPLOSION......BUT THE CHARGE (PERHAPS IT IS LIVING WITH THE ORIGINAL OF CERT 345138)....... IT ALL DISSAPEARS.......POOF.....ALL UP IN A CLOUD OF PICTSHEE DUST.....

I lost everything.....but as Martin Sawyers said (new registrar, same attitude) .......I am just after money......






From: Melanie Phillips [mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 4:13 p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Cc: Wal Gordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee 
Hi Paul
Please see attached Belinda’s file note of her request to John Darnley for a copy of certificate 345138.  This occurred after she was contacted by lawyers acting for the owner on 17 April 2009 requesting copies of all gas certificates relating to 136 Milton Street.   
Also attached is a copy of the certificate received which, as you will see, is of quite poor quality.
Please let me know if you need any more information. 
Regards
Mel
 
From: Melanie Phillips[mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 3:22p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee; WalGordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee
Hi Paul
I have just gone back through the file and can confirm that the Board never received a pink copy of certificate345138.  The only copy the Board has is a photocopy of the certifier’s copy, which you produced as exhibit PG007 together with a copy of the gas suppliers copy.
I see notes from Belinda Greer on the file that the Board copy of certificate 345138 was received after the explosion in 2009, I think from the Department of Labour.
I’m sorry I can’t help you further.
Regards
Mel



So how did Hammond check the original copy of cert 345138, is he lying, senile, incompetent, delusional?



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #407 on: October 26, 2015, 10:58:09 AM »
.....here's the final kick in the guts from the Board, I was living in a maintenance workshop, working in "NZ housing" projects in the North Island (horrendous).... and my wife was living in a caravan with no flushing toilet nor running drinking water, with my two lads who were toddlers.....

My girl went from a recently renovated mortgage free home....to a caravan.....

I was unblocking toilets and fixing taps for people who didn't work, while my wife was taking a bucket of shite to be emptied and collect drinking water at the local I-site...in front of the whole community....while the public read this pontificating bullshit in the local rag......




PRESS RELEASE | 7 November 2011

Nelson plumber and gasfitter ordered to undergo training

A Nelson plumber and gasfitter found guilty of professional shortcomings and unacceptable conduct has been ordered to undergo a course of training in a penalty decision issued by the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board (PGDB) today.

The Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board found that Paul Gee breached the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act (1976) when he carried out gasfitting work on a house in Malvern Avenue, Nelson.

Due to Mr Gee’s personal and financial circumstances, the Board decided not to ask Mr Gee to pay a fine or contribute to the costs of the hearing.

Alan Bickers, chair of the PGDB, said:

“The Board takes its responsibilities in this area very seriously and the primary purpose of discipline is rehabilitative, not punitive.
“Discipline is an opportunity to identify and, where possible, promote the competence of registered tradesmen by identifying conduct which falls below the standard expected of a registered person.

“The Board was concerned by Mr Gee’s apparent lack of knowledge and appreciation of the applicable regulatory provisions for gasfitting, which exist to ensure the health and safety of the New Zealand public.

“While the Board understands that the disciplinary process can be stressful for parties, Mr Gee’s evidence at the hearing raised serious concerns about his understanding of some fundamental aspects of the gasfitting trade.”

In July, the PGDB decided the case against Mr Gee in relation to work carried out on six other properties in the Tasman Bay and Westport areas was not established.

The Department of Labour laid a complaint with the PGDB about the matter and the PGDB undertook its own investigation. As a consequence, a further six properties were also identified as potentially posing a risk to the health and safety of the public.










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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #408 on: October 26, 2015, 11:04:32 AM »


So Mr Sawyers......CEO/Registrar of a CONTINUOUS membership industry Board.....


Do you still stand by the statement.......( and more to the point....do you guys believe him......)

"I believe in a disciplinary system that is fair, risk based and proportionate".......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #409 on: October 26, 2015, 12:04:17 PM »
Have a look at a paper written by the "impartial" investigator.....the same guy who gifted Darnley his license...which officially empowered Darnley to install gas all over THE PLACE.....Darnley was also a member of NZIGE......


So people in the area not only thought Darnley was fully qualified, but event that he might be an engineer......funny because Darnley resigned from NZIGE the following month after the explosion.....


So how impartial is the interrogator? sorry investigator......the same guy who wrote this paper attached....the same guy who told me "to make sure my own house was in order before you dob people in" and the cert system is to big to fail"


For Hammond to investigate properly he would have to ignore the fact that because of him, Darnley was gifted his full certifying license.....and the cert system (that he lobbied for) was shown wanting by the very same person who he had gifted a license to.....resulting in an explosion.....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #410 on: October 26, 2015, 12:08:23 PM »
Here he is....Darnley resigning from NZIGE.........the explosion was 9th April 2009.........




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #411 on: October 26, 2015, 12:10:07 PM »
I wonder why Darnley resigned?

If he was innocent of any wrong doing?


Bit co-incidental don't ya think?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #412 on: October 26, 2015, 12:11:47 PM »
......perhaps he thinks he is innocent because he didn't recognise his own handwriting on a job card....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #413 on: October 26, 2015, 12:31:55 PM »
Please remember that the Board still to this day has no one held responsible for a near fatal explosion........that laid a poor bugger in a burns unit for two weeks and ruined his business.......


So if the first person you target in an investigation proves his innocence....do you just stop there...ignoring blatant evidence?


Here's the handwriting for you to look at......you might as well have a look because the Board don't care.....


So the guy who didn't register the original copy for the cert 345138, the cert for the last work done at the site of an explosion....owned the company who sold the hose that caused the explosion(and probably fitted it), told the investigator he didn't recognise his own handwriting on the job card for the explosion, was untrained and had pervious incidents to his name...... with complaints received by me for six years before the explosion.....isn't of interest to the Board....not even today? Why is that?

Same guy who faced a charge for the explosion but it disappeared with no trial......


So they pinned it on me and now I can prove all this....I am to get on with my life (a life which I don't have and is still denied me).....




Mr Sawyers thinks I am just after money, perhaps that's why I "planned" all this is it Martin? FFS......

Do you know what really makes me laugh apparently I'm the problem........What, for showing this for what it is?


IT IS CORRUPTION AND A COVER UP.....AND SO IS ANYONE WHO ALLOWS IT TO CONTINUE.......

Come on....a quarter of a million dollars spent and no one held responsible, of OUR  money.......220k on me and less than 30k of Darnley.......



I have done all the work for you, for free......now go and get the real culprit.......





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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #414 on: October 26, 2015, 12:42:15 PM »
Next is the four books of certs bought in my name with out my permission.....

On 10 November 2003, I attended a meeting with Darnley. At this meeting, I submitted a written statement outlining my safety concerns; this written statement was later provided to the Board.

On 13 November 2003, I was issued with a written warning by the manager for how I had expressed my concerns about safety to his son in law. In response to this written warning I indicated I would resign as soon as was practicable, I told him to shove his job up his f****ing arse.

On 14 November 2003, four books of non-transferable gas certificates were ordered, for the one and only time, by some one at the gas company. It was done in my name, without my knowledge.

On 19 November 2003, I gave two weeks notice and resigned from this gas company.

I later found out, after the explosion, that on the 4th March 2004, three months after I left, someone from this gas company, on this company’s letterhead, wrote a letter in my name to alter a gas certificate to the PGDB, which was apparently acted on.


I complained about this at the time.....as soon as I found out.......well before the explosion.......







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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #415 on: October 26, 2015, 12:51:19 PM »
If you look at the GST numbers and the cert numbers and take it for granted that the numbers run sequentially......... 


The first ordered is the single book.....then the three other extra books are ordered.......with the application altered and faxed 14th November.....how does that happen.......


How does the two sets of receipts reflect the alteration to the initial application, that was faxed????

All known to the Board.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #416 on: October 26, 2015, 01:20:18 PM »
When I was in interview, I told Hammond about the books of certs.....he smugly looked at me and said.....


"but you paid for these with YOUR credit card"......

I replied "I have never owned a credit card".....he went pale, not in fear but in anger....I distinctly remember this......this is the reply he sent after this see attached....

And his take on it from his report attached.......


I knew nothing of this and took it that as it was his firm he was supplying the certs.....but then when I told Darnley in no uncertain terms to shove his job up his f****ing arse.....someone at Allgas goes and orders 4 books in my name, not all at once either but in haphazard way....

All known to the Board.....


These books of certs are what resulted in the accuracy disclaimer on their website....you will notice that cert 299748 is from the batch of of certs ordered in my name....all known to the Board.......











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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #417 on: October 26, 2015, 01:22:51 PM »
So how can they get my name from a paper copy which doesn't mention my name?


......because it was bought in my name....that's why......but no one has a problem with this.....



How are you all feeling now about the cert system that will be used to f**** you over?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #418 on: October 26, 2015, 01:26:40 PM »
The reason I couldn't resign straight away, straight after telling Darnley to shove his job.....was because my wife and I had just bought our first home and had just signed up for a mortgage.


I told Hammond all this, but it didn't make his report......funny that.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #419 on: October 26, 2015, 01:30:50 PM »
So Mr Sawyers, do you still believe......I lost everything......


"I believe in a disciplinary system that is fair, risk based and proportionate".......


My kids tell that they believe in the tooth fairy too.....so they can pocket the money under their pillow.....sound familiar......lol....what a f****ing joke....


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