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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #570 on: January 14, 2017, 07:57:02 PM »
Just came across this in my garage, it is an anniversary mug, handed out at work when I worked for Allgas back in 2003 (I blanked out the very large gas supplier's name and motif with black insulation tape).

Now this is the type of person who the PGDB are covering up for, his nick name to all the employee's was "Porn Dad".....I asked why and was told it was because he had a huge television.....WTF, was my reply.

A bobtail full of LPG rolls and a year later they are still laughing about it, believe me it was very funny to them when they were handing these mugs out.....I thought I had landed in a very surreal episode of the Beverly hill billy's (it was a family run business).

ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO THIS GUY.....BUT THE BOARD IGNORES IT AND ACTUALLY LET THE CHARGE HE FACED FOR THE NEAR FATAL EXPLOSION.....JUST DISSAPPEAR....POOF....ALL UP IN AN CLOUD OF DUST (AND DEBRIS...OH AND A GUYS CHIP SHOP).






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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #571 on: January 21, 2017, 03:51:29 PM »
This is just the tip of the iceberg.....I know I have put this on here before, but am going to re do this on a regular basis to high light how blatantly I was set up for the new readers, and will continue to do so until it is addressed.

And the PGDB has all this info, I actually got it from them......

Just to recap.....I worked from Feb 2003 until 2nd December 2003........

But the PGDB have no problem whatsoever with the sale of the third gas hose (this is the very hose that actually caused the explosion) being sold in January 2004 (after the initial install was June 2003) and someone from Allgas altering a gas certificate, acting in my name, in March 2004 (three months after I left).


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #572 on: January 21, 2017, 08:47:04 PM »
hi guys, badger, so why would we want the pgd.board to take charge of the gas cert system again?, cheers

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #573 on: January 22, 2017, 07:49:22 PM »
My point is the decline mate.......from a peer reviewed, independently inspected system, to the total cock up that the PGDB made of the self certifying system(both carbon and electronic systems), to the present "print off all you like" system and not register it anywhere if its for a new install (which from my experience was the majority of the installations, especially in todays housing shortage climate).



Unless the PGDB addresses their past mistakes/corruption/maladministration and cover ups....purging the guilty from their ranks........I wouldn't entrust them with looking after the school hamster for half term.....

I can see it now......Yes headmaster you can trust us, Hammy was all safe and locked away..... I don't know where the tyre marks came from or why his eyes look like there on stalks and his intestines are hanging out, perhaps it was Paul Gee, yes lets pin it on him.


(I know some are new to the PGDB, but it is a continuous membership board.... and so the new members inherit the PGDB's past)


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #574 on: January 23, 2017, 08:01:55 AM »
hi guys, badger the new gas cert system could have been secure if the present organization who control it would have only issued certs to authorized gasfitters by having a list of tradesmen who should be carrying out the work, it would have been such a simple addition to the rules, where was the thinking when the great minds altered the system, cheers 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #575 on: January 23, 2017, 08:01:54 PM »
I agree mate..... a very simple rule to add,


....... but if my experience is anything to go by, a very difficult rule (the PGDB found it quite impossible apparently) to enforce.......

because the PGDB had no problem in someone ordering four book of certs in my name and paying with it on their credit card, ordering these four books of certs in my name the day after I told my old boss to shove his job up his dodgy arse....of note they did carry a non transferable heading across the top, I have a letter where they dismiss this also.


The thing is this is how badly the PGDB handled my case and before the explosion were mal-administering the gas cert register.........this is why they need to put their hands up and let us all learn from their mistakes, not brush it under the carpet (which usually causes a trip hazard for the future).....


Look how dodgy all this looks in the attachments, the extra additions to the multiple order request etc .......and the so called impartial investigator admitting knowledge of it well before they ruined my life and business....I knew nothing of these certs being ordered and it was of no issue to the PGDB when it came to light AFTER someone nearly died in an explosion......


So the people in all their wisdom have invented a system that is very lax to say the least and even more open to abuse and misrepresentation AND hardly any records kept in an independent govt register......

SO WHAT DID THEY LEARN FROM MY CASE..............HOW TO KEEP THEIR OWN NOSES CLEAN, AND HEAP THE RESPONSIBILITY ON TO US TRADIES........while upping the potential risk to the NZ public........what a bunch of total low down dirty cunts.


Of note the four books of certs had quite a few of them (about 25% from memory) with missing gas leak test results......the PGDB claimed that they could not locate these certs.....but them lo and behold found them when I went to the gas suppliers and photographed the yellow suppliers copies and sent them to them, these copies also were missing the gas test results.......EXACTLY IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE EXPLODING CHIPSHOP, THAT NEARLY KILLED SOME ONE.

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These books of certs resulted in the ACCURACEY disclaimer on the electronic system, as well as a load more of badly handled certs.


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #576 on: January 23, 2017, 08:30:29 PM »
And this very crap gas SAFETY (LOL) cert system.........is being used extensively in peoples homes as we speak.

Where new installs are not classed as high risk and so need no records kept, except the copies kept by gasfitters in his office/house .....is being used in a housing shortage....with lots and lots of new installs.............


How on earth are the powers that be keeping tabs on this....how do you audit/check the work.....unless you give them full access to your records/documents, it will be a case of the fitter pulling out his best work to show the auditor......oh wait there..... there is no auditor......it is a shambles.

Someone could be fitting industrial package burners in peoples bedrooms and then keep their certs in a wine box in their garage......no one would be any the wiser......until someone gets hurt......

It is batshit crazy.....

The new cert system has no worth in incident prevention and has a very limited value as an traceability/accountability tool.....its just really very shit.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #577 on: January 23, 2017, 09:59:19 PM »
The "Invested" Investigator knew this on the 31 July 2009 a few months after the explosion and nearly two years before my hearing in May 2011......but he still wanted to pin it on me and not my old boss......

Well Tony Hammond (the so not impartial) investigator was responsible for granting my old boss his full certifying gas license......after just one oral exam...with no apprenticeship served.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #578 on: January 24, 2017, 08:11:04 AM »
Here is Tony lobbying for deregulation, which resulted in the self cert system, which failed miserably.....

You'll notice the dates and his list of affiliations on the back.....

Also attached is Darnley resigning from NZ Institute of Gas Engineers, the month after the explosion.....co-incidence?

We complained about all this at the so called impartiality hearing.............

Perhaps this is why Darnley could face a charge for the explosion........but it disappeared.....see attached...



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #579 on: January 24, 2017, 08:50:50 AM »
Here's the list of affiliations I am on about.....and this was when the deregulation paper was written.......quite some time before the explosion.....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #580 on: January 24, 2017, 01:04:33 PM »
So John Darnley resigns from the NZIGE the very next month after the explosion, and appointed to investigate this explosion, is Tony Hammond, who was a member (fellow even) of the NZIGE...... is appointed to investigate.......

Tony the guy who gifted John his full craftsman license after one oral exam and it was Tony who lobbied for deregulation/self certification.....

Now Peter Jackson and Graham Hardie were heavily involved in my case...I complained about these blatant clash of interests to these people......I also complained about Stephen Parkers ties to Hammond.....

What happened......well the still appointed Tony Hammond as the investigator and Stephen Parker as the chair of my hearing.....



After it was shown to be bullshit at my hearing(clearing 42 out of 44 charges), some stopped working at the Board....... BUT.......


Look at who's still running the PGDB......who is now the chair and vice chair?


Anything changed?.......Peter Jackson and Graham Hardie....well they are chair and vice chair......









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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #581 on: January 24, 2017, 01:13:44 PM »
Have a read of the impartiality hearing and look who presided over it......think things have changed since here.......two got promoted....lol.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #582 on: February 02, 2017, 01:48:20 PM »
If you are really bored, have a read of the actual kangaroo court I was subjected to....you'll find in here, amongst other crap....

......another fraud un-earthed, people making statements like....well if I'd been shown these photos I would never have signed my statement (most if not all statements were kindly prepared for people to sign, and they were given the impression that I was illegally selling certs in Northland, this was rescinded some many months later, I will explain this one separately as it is quite complex).

......my answers to the 44 trumped up charges.....like where the investigator swears that the install hadn't changed since I had worked there.......even though a cert was issued for work done days before his site visit....

.....the dodgy investigator admitting that if I had complied with the mandatory part one, then the non mandatory part two was irrelevant....as its a means of compliance.....this is the only charge they "got me for"......but later ignored and told an elderly couple to shut their window when using the gas califont.....

.....the hearing being shut down as I was about to go 100% innocent, shut down by the dodgy investigator's buddy who was chairing the hearing


These are just the low lights there is much much more, even a bit of humour with my answers.....like I said if your bored and got some time to see what you could be subjected to have a gander......remember most people just plead guilty because of the threat of a fine and costs......my principles would not allow me to plead guilty to something I had tried to warn about for 6 years before the explosion...NEARLY KILLLED SOMEONE......and no-one has been held accountable to this day, but there is ample and obvious evidence of who is responsible........


Still think the new crew can be trusted.......just a clean up crew I reckon......helping cover it all up......dodgy, at a risk to the NZ public it is deplorable and disgusting.

All in the minister who is responsible for our portfolio's back yard in the homes of the people who he is supposed to represent and protect.......reprehensible!

This muppet, that to this day still goes protected by the PGDB......worked for decades in Nelson, gifted a full gas certifying license after one chat with the same guy who was appointed as the dodgy investigator years later......this work is still out there......FOR  f****S SAKE!





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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #583 on: February 02, 2017, 02:03:30 PM »
An example of another job.....which hasn't killed yet is this central heating system, that I saw started....and was told later by the apprentice it was completed.....the apprentice seen this after I had left Allgas and was dropping of the pex crimping tool to the site......to crimp the fittings......the dozy bastards were commissioning the califont as he got there.....he literally dropped the tool and ran because of the smell of gas......I shit you not.....


Any heating experts out there know anything about segregation of potable and non potable water and the risks of legionnaires disease?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #584 on: February 03, 2017, 12:20:45 PM »
Now see that diagram below of where the water is stored in the rads by the Thermostatic Rad Valves (TRV's)....all summer......but then open in winter......for the stagnant water out of the shower rose....all atomised ready to breath in......


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