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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #585 on: February 03, 2017, 12:30:19 PM »
You might want to read the attachment, the shear amount of times I have raised this is crazy.......but the PGDB won't even look at it...........why is that?


Oh I don't know......check out the certifier.......a guy given his full certifying license for gas, with a dispensation to fit water heaters.......with no frickin apprenticeship  that's who.....the same guy who got off with a charge for the explosion, when all the evidence points to him......that's who....


LOL look at the cert with two different colour inks on it.......just like the one that covered the explosion and a load of others......
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #586 on: February 03, 2017, 12:50:42 PM »



Sent today to Martin Sawyers the PGDB CEO, with the attachments from below, you can judge the trust you can put in the new guard by his response.....I am told things are better under the new management......lets see if it is.....








Paul Gee <plumbngas@gmail.com> 

Attachments12:45 PM (0 minutes ago)

to Martin, Wal

Martin,

Please see attached the correspondence with the PGDB regarding my very real concerns about a very badly designed and I am told installed central heating system.

Please advise if you are of the same opinion as your predecessor, if you are not and think this is worth taking a look at and taking a water sample before this system kills someone then let me know.

As you are now aware of this system, please don't feign ignorance if/when it makes someone ill.

I suggest you get a heating engineer to take a look at my diagram, also attached and get an independent opinion.

Please bare in mind I warned about dodgy certs covering dangerous work for 6 years before the explosion that the PGDB are still protecting Darnley for, lets not do this again and ignore me as I haven't been proved wrong yet (well not in the context of my trade, my belief in a fair system was totally wrong).


We have had a very hot summer, the owner is elderly, legionnaires grows best at 25 to 55 deg C and is more easily inhaled causing acute pneumonia....this is a perfect storm.


You could do the right thing and fix all this, including looking at the huge body of evidence that point to who really blew up a chipshop and nearly killed someone. I still walk around wearing the stigma for this I might add, even though even the corrupt PGDB hearing I was subjected to could find no fault in me.


You are in charge of a continuous membership Board, YOU inherit all its good and bad work and leave YOUR mark for its future.....it is your call.


Cheers Paul.



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #587 on: February 06, 2017, 12:42:09 PM »
While we are waiting for a reply on whether the PGDB are going to look at a potentially very dangerous install, lets have a look at the apology that they issued over 2 years after my hearing where, in their own words, the letters sent to all the other sites of my charges, could have given the impression I was acting illegally in other parts of the country.

Which in my opinion prejudiced every single site (ALL 6) of my 44 trumped up charges, but they waited 3 and half years to apologise, the untrue letters were sent in Oct 2009, my hearing was in May 2011 and the apology came out April 2013....my business was already totally shut down by the Motueka High School letter.  Motueka was my main place of business. How can you get 44 charges out of just 6 sites (7 including the exploding chip shop).....well they had back up charges if I could answer the initial charges.....

They changed the charges just weeks before the hearing.....I answered them too.....

I might add the apology says Nelson.....well not just in Nelson, they even got that wrong, because it was from Haverlock to the West Coast AND Nelson....even the local High school in Motueka which was the main centre of business of my business....basically the far reaches of my business and everything in between.....

In my book an untruth, in such circumstances........well I'll let you all think what that is.....


Of note the guy who signed the apology.......was on my panel for my hearing and witnessed everything.....



I stall get asked, quite regularly, oh your the guy who blew up the chipshop......then I tell them the story and they are aghast......surely that doesn't happen here.......well yes it f****ing does......

Over the last 7 soon 8 years I have worked from place to place, like a fugitive, working to feed my family.....out of trade sometimes, mostly away from home, can't sell my home because its not finished, you know the place my missis had to live in for 14 weeks in a winter.....in a caravan(because the house was derelict), with no running water or a flushing toilet.

Why?......I think because I tried to warn about the dodgy certs covering dangerous work, then everything I had warned about came to pass in the worst possible way.....




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #588 on: February 06, 2017, 12:52:26 PM »
The charge at the Mot High, you'll see from the letter that it was for not providing enough ventilation on a cylinder enclosure.......well that's because it was added to my install AFTER I had finished and not by me......

Can everyone see a common thread here altering my installs after I finish, just like the exploding chippy......

The prepared statement, prepared by the investigators lawyer for this lady to sign .......well the lady said she would never have signed it if she had seen the aerial photo that I found at the council offices.....she was adamant that I was guilty, until she saw this undeniable proof.......its funny the effect an untruth letter can have on people with regards to prejudicing there opinions of people.



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #589 on: February 06, 2017, 12:59:29 PM »
You think things have changed since this......well when this was going on Graham Hardy (at both my hearings, impartiality and actual hearing) and Peter Jackson (at my impartiality hearing), well these two who witnessed most if not everything that happened......


Well back then they weren't the vice chair and chair of the PGDB......BUT THEY ARE NOW.....after standing back and witnessing all this corruption levelled at me and my family......they got f****ing promoted....... 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #590 on: February 06, 2017, 05:39:14 PM »
.....the excerpt from my hearing's transcript, attached again for your convenience, below in blue.....the 127 photos mentioned are the ones taken of the site of the explosion immediately taken within a very short time of the explosion (I think the day after).....

I had not seen any of the 110 other photos......

I had only seen the 17 provided by the investigator (Tony Hammond) and his lawyer (Mr Laurenson).....who had prepared the statement for the forensic "expert"(the one answering as "A" below....preparing statements as he had for most if not all the other "witness's".......he even called it "briefing" the witness.....

That's 110 withheld photos.......that showed what I had said from day one.......the pipe was lowered from its original position......the fryer supplied by the THIRD hose sold to supply just two fryers ( also see attached )......because it had split before......because the pipe was fitted low to the floor, my guess was so the bayonets could fit below the kick board space below the fryers, this lowering was most definitely not done by me....



Q. How many photos did you take of the scene?

A. Hold on a second. I took 127 photographs of the scene.

Q. And who selected these 17 photos pertaining to this?

A. I was asked to give comment on those 17 photos by Mr Laurenson.

Q. So you didn't select them, Mr Laurenson selected the photos that we're looking at?

A. That's correct.

Q. So the numbering on these I take it, this is not your writing?

A. The?

Q. The numbers on each of the photos?

A. No that's correct, that's not my writing.

Q. So that will explain why they're not sort of in a logical sequence, they're sort of all over the place?

A. It could do, yes.

Q. Now, did you write your own statement or was that written for you?

A. Which one?

Q. The one that you've just read?

A. The statement regarding the photographs was provided to me by Mr Laurenson and I edited it and it is based on my statement of the - that I provided on the 1st of May 2009, as well as phone conversations with Mr Laurenson.



So for the investigator to pick which photos he wanted to have comment on......well I think it is logical that he must have had the full itinerary of the photos take, from very near to the explosion date.......as he was interviewing me!

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #591 on: February 06, 2017, 06:01:08 PM »
So while the investigator had in his possession the 127 photos that showed what I was saying.....

Well lets look at the words of the investigator......be saw cert 345138, this is for the last work done by Darnley at the exploding chip shop.....all available copies lack any registered/documented tests for leaks.......he says he saw the original, but the Board deny ever having receiving it, but there is an electronic copy on their now defunct electronic register....

Cert 345138 is actually mentioned in the DOL complaint.....this DOL complaint is the entire basis for the witch-hunt levelled at me by the PGDB.....

But lets let Mel tell you in her own words, these are what the PGDB told the chip-shop owners lawyer......while the poor bugger was laying in a burns unit.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #592 on: February 06, 2017, 06:06:14 PM »
But lets let Mel tell you in her own words, these are what the PGDB told the chip-shop owners lawyer......while the poor bugger was laying in a burns unit.......the explosion was 9th April 2009.......so just eight days after....he spent weeks in the burns unit......nice people eh? I found this out 6 days after my hearing.....5th May 2011 was the last day of my corrupt kangaroo court......

From: Melanie Phillips [mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 4:13 p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Cc: Wal Gordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee 
Hi Paul
Please see attached Belinda’s file note of her request to John Darnley for a copy of certificate 345138.  This occurred after she was contacted by lawyers acting for the owner on 17 April 2009 requesting copies of all gas certificates relating to 136 Milton Street.   
Also attached is a copy of the certificate received which, as you will see, is of quite poor quality.
Please let me know if you need any more information. 
Regards
Mel
 
From: Melanie Phillips[mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 3:22p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee; WalGordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee
Hi Paul
I have just gone back through the file and can confirm that the Board never received a pink copy of certificate345138.  The only copy the Board has is a photocopy of the certifier’s copy, which you produced as exhibit PG007 together with a copy of the gas suppliers copy.
I see notes from Belinda Greer on the file that the Board copy of certificate 345138 was received after the explosion in 2009, I think from the Department of Labour.
I’m sorry I can’t help you further.
Regards
Mel

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #593 on: February 06, 2017, 06:08:31 PM »
.......and the present PGDB CEO.......well does he want to look at the dangerous central heating listed below?????


Well lets see how much has really changed, I will judge by his reply, which I will share with you all......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #594 on: February 06, 2017, 06:18:18 PM »
Belinda Greer.....this is the first person I would ask about my case, her name crops up a lot.....anyone got her number , I will give her a ring......


Here is a letter dated 2005, chippy blew up in 2009......its from Belinda......

And a letter from Nick Smith 2006......and another letter from Nick just weeks before my hearing.....but miraculously his opinion changed when he had his "good friend" on the PGDB.....(these were his words, when he sent for me to see him in his caravan, its amazing what you can record on these new fangled cell phones now).

You see I had been trying to get this looked for many years before an explosion nearly killed someone.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #595 on: February 06, 2017, 06:38:47 PM »
here is something new, that I have literally just noticed....its crazy how if you look into this it just keeps on giving.


This is a Nelson Mail article, my business was already totally f****ed and shut down......but look at the time line on the bottom......the Dept of Labour issues a hazard alert, well before my hearing I have just seen this today.....WHAT THE ACTUAL f****!






Gasfitter cleared of blame over blast   
 
  KAREN GOODGER

Last updated 13:00 12/07/2011           
 
A Takaka gasfitter has been cleared of industry charges relating to a near-fatal explosion at Nelson's Milton Street Fish and Chip shop, but the fallout continues.

Paul Gee has had to leave his family to obtain work outside the region as a result of the charges against him, and the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Federation is now calling for a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the industry's governing body.

The Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board yesterday cleared Mr Gee on 42 of the 44 particulars in the two charges brought against him for his work at seven properties in Nelson, Marlborough and Westport between May 2003 and June 2006.

The charges stemmed from an investigation into the Milton St explosion, but the board found that his work at this site was not contrary to regulations.

Mr Gee did not respond to calls from the Nelson Mail today but issued a statement saying the victory was bittersweet.

"I am happy that 42 of the 44 particulars of offence were not established, but I'm shattered it has cost me over two years of my life, my business, my reputation and now my chosen place of residence," he said.

"I have had to leave the Nelson area to get work to support my family. Being separated from my family is devastating for us all, but in particular my two young boys."

His advocate, North Island plumbing businessman and federation spokesman Wal Gordon, said Mr Gee had been working in New Plymouth for about two months.

"What Mr Gee and his family have endured is a sad indictment on the process imposed on the industry by the Plumbing, Gasfitting and Drainlaying Board," he said. "It displays an attitude of conquest by intimidation and force."

Although three people on the board vacated their positions yesterday, nothing would change with their replacements, he said.

The federation, representing 722 people, had started a petition for a Royal Commission of Inquiry, he said.

"It's off the back of everything the board's been doing. This [judgement] is just another cog in the wheel."

Mr Gordon said they were still seeking legal advice on whether to appeal the two particulars that Mr Gee was found guilty of. These related to his work at 6 Malvern Ave, Atawhai.

Penalties are yet to be decided.

The board did not respond to a request for comment before the Nelson Mail went to print today but said it would be releasing a statement this afternoon.

MILTON ST GAS EXPLOSION TIME LINE

April 2009 - An explosion at the Milton St Fish and Chip shop causes widespread damage and severely injures owner Ron Clark.
 
     
October 2009 - The shop reopens. It has since been bought by new owners.

February 2010 - The Department of Labour issues a Hazard Alert, saying the explosion was caused by a lack of appliance but that anomalies in the gasfitting certification could have alerted the owners to substandard workmanship.

November 2010 - Industry charges are laid against Takaka gasfitter Paul Gee.

May 2011 - The charges against Mr Gee are heard in Nelson.

July 2011 - The board finds Mr Gee not guilty on 42 of the 44 particulars in the charges against him.
 
 - The Nelson Mail


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #596 on: February 06, 2017, 06:51:14 PM »
So the whole entire basis for my witch hunt is a complaint laid by the Dept of Labour......


This same Gov't body issues a Hazard Alert......and then after this the PGDB lay charges against me.....

Even though you have seen how I tried to alert the PGDB to the problem with the certs, for many years before this explosion?


So the PGDB go after me?.......really? ???

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #597 on: February 06, 2017, 07:04:51 PM »
Now have a look at the press release by the Board, where they say I referred to myself as a mere plumber, which they could never show me where I had said this.......

Now when you read the Nelson Mail article shown below dated 12/7/2011 you'd think I was innocent.....

But the PGDB's lust for my blood is shown in the press release dated on the same day.....


This mere plumber comment was never said by me, but lets let Mel tell you how they came about by this.....

From: Melanie Phillips [mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: 19 July 2011 12:38 p.m.
To: Wal Gordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee
 
Hi Wal
 
I can’t speak for the Board however, I understood that the phrase was not so much attributable to Mr Gee but rather an encapsulation of comments made by Mr Gee at the hearing (such as those at pages 353, 359, 396, & 404 of the transcript).
 
Again, this is only my inference and should be in no way taken as speaking for the Board.  I would suggest you raise this issue specifically in your penalty submissions should you wish the Board to address this matter formally.
 
Regards
 
Mel
 
Melanie Phillips
Legal Advisor
 
Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board



These comments she mentions are when I was trying to tell the Board that I was the employee, not the boss.....when it is read in context.....which the PGDB apparently can't don't do.....hmmmmm.

Of note this very very bad bad behaviour attributed to me by the PGDB in my last charge.......well some months later they told an elderly couple to close the window when using their califont, this califont was even nearer than the one I installed.


It was nothing short of character assassination.....which The Ombudsman has no problem with whatsoever.....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #598 on: February 06, 2017, 07:09:27 PM »
......if you open the attachment of the PGDB press release below, it has some of the correspondence with the Ombudsman too....if you scroll down.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #599 on: February 06, 2017, 08:06:36 PM »
So they can't find some certs....then they can after I photograph the suppliers copies and send them to them......funny that.


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