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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #660 on: February 27, 2017, 05:33:39 PM »
So after the cert 345186 (the pizza oven cert) the one that lacks test results and in the PGDB's own words was never received by the PGDB, so at best Darnley was selling the carbon copies of certs, incomplete at that.....at worst the PGDB had accepted that dodgy cert............well anyway it ended in an explosion.....

could you get a more dodgier cert.....covering any more dangerous work......it blew up......

Just as I had tried to warn.....

Of note Hazel's comment below.....

Ms Armstrong said she was pleased with the ruling, which vindicated the board's action.

As chief executive and registrar, it was Mr Routhan's responsibility to monitor the process for checking gas certificates and after he left, the board had reviewed all gas certificates.

"We reiterate that Mr Routhan's allegations relating to unsafe gas installations have been fully investigated and discredited and we have confidence in our gas certification processes."

Well she made that comment after this one was told to the poor sod in a burns unit.....

below.....

From: Melanie Phillips [mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 4:13 p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Cc: Wal Gordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee 
Hi Paul
Please see attached Belinda’s file note of her request to John Darnley for a copy of certificate 345138.  This occurred after she was contacted by lawyers acting for the owner on 17 April 2009 requesting copies of all gas certificates relating to 136 Milton Street.   
Also attached is a copy of the certificate received which, as you will see, is of quite poor quality.
Please let me know if you need any more information. 
Regards
Mel
 
From: Melanie Phillips[mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 3:22p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee; WalGordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee
Hi Paul
I have just gone back through the file and can confirm that the Board never received a pink copy of certificate345138.  The only copy the Board has is a photocopy of the certifier’s copy, which you produced as exhibit PG007 together with a copy of the gas suppliers copy.
I see notes from Belinda Greer on the file that the Board copy of certificate 345138 was received after the explosion in 2009, I think from the Department of Labour.
I’m sorry I can’t help you further.
Regards
Mel

 
Sound plausible to guys?
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #661 on: February 27, 2017, 06:18:42 PM »
then Nick wrote this.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #662 on: February 27, 2017, 06:26:23 PM »
and he wrote this

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #663 on: February 27, 2017, 06:40:52 PM »
Now this was written just weeks before my 3rd to 5th May 2009, written 16th April 2011....



My hearing if nothing reiterated his concerns and proved them.....so when did he become minster of Building and Housing (might have been a promotion, nice work if you can get it)......because that's when he would have the power to help, to investigate......to do all was asking for in his letters.....

But even though this happened in his back yard......well lets see......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #664 on: February 27, 2017, 06:54:10 PM »
But by 13 July 2011....he had this to say......weeks after my hearing.......


He later got Maurice's job as Building and Housing Minster....and got his good friend* Bickers in the PDGB chairman's seat, the new Board.....

*Nick said this to me when he summonsed me to his caravan to tell me to back off......Bickers left before his term was out, for personal reasons......

Nelson MP Nick Smith, having previously accused the board of making Mr Gee a scapegoat, said he didn't think an inquiry was needed.
"The Government is very focused on trying to tidy the show up. I'm prepared to give the new board a fair go."
Dr Smith said he hoped Mr Gee could return to the region and his business.
"He needs to consult with lawyers as to whether there's anything available for him seeking redress."


consult lawyers......well..........the lawyers who told me to plead guilty to the 42 charges I was found innocent for.....well Bruce the lawyer made no secret that he was Nicks friend too.....

You'll notice in the attachment that even oor bloke in the explosion even backed me......

Now Wombles you asked me about the media.......next post.....the reporter for that article and others where I thought she was backing me, backing the truth........Karen Goodger....



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #665 on: February 27, 2017, 06:58:42 PM »
We'll its a small world Womble.....

Goodger - former electorate office manager of the Southern Link's biggest backer, Nelson MP Nick Smith,and current member of Southern Link lobby group Progress Nelson Tasman - wrote the feature but didn't want her name published, Martin said.
"So I gave her a somewhat flippant nom-de-plume. Peter Gilham is a spy in a John Le Carre novel."
More accurately, that would be Peter Guillam.
Goodger was also once a long-serving journalist at the Nelson Mail departing after the 2011 election to work in Smith's office. She was highly praised by Smith and others at his 2014 election night victory party.
She left the job soon afterwards, but maintained a working relationship with Smith.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #666 on: February 27, 2017, 07:02:07 PM »
My hearing was in 2011....

from below.......departing after the 2011 election....

I phoned once the top reporter here, had my smart phone with me again.....asked her if she could warn her readership of the dangerous work done in her readerships area......


She said she didn't have the resources.....I offered to write it and take full responsibility......didn't want to know mate

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #667 on: February 27, 2017, 07:18:55 PM »
Have a look at what the Office for fairness for f**** all had to say about the cert for the last work at the site of an explosion, the cert mentioned by number in the DOL complaint.....

Take the time to read it all, it is nonsensical.....fair these cunts don't even know what fair is, let alone have an office for it....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #668 on: February 27, 2017, 09:01:18 PM »
that cert that no one has seen.......well here is the investigator......who claims to have seen it.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #669 on: February 27, 2017, 09:04:42 PM »
so who's a fibber?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #670 on: February 27, 2017, 09:30:52 PM »
can anyone explain the logic in this.....its for an explosion......it looks like to me fibs.....the only evidence of receiving the cert, after denying just that......is that you had the right details, cert number, address, name....etc...

For f**** sake do you need any more.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #671 on: February 27, 2017, 09:34:25 PM »
this cert and others resulted in the accuracy disclaimer........on a gas safety cert system.....really?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #672 on: February 27, 2017, 09:51:46 PM »
So the guy (me) who spent 6 years trying to get this looked at.....just look at the dates listed here in my last post in this attachment...2005.......explosion 2009......

So the PGDB go after me?.............not the guy I was warning about..............these people are still in charge guys.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #673 on: February 28, 2017, 02:13:21 PM »
Ms Armstrong said she was pleased with the ruling, which vindicated the board's action.

As chief executive and registrar, it was Mr Routhan's responsibility to monitor the process for checking gas certificates and after he left, the board had reviewed all gas certificates.

"We reiterate that Mr Routhan's allegations relating to unsafe gas installations have been fully investigated and discredited and we have confidence in our gas certification processes."

You do know Hazel, we actually did have an explosion…..covered by a very dodgy cert?

So how is it I could find a litany of huge problems…… like an unregistered cert with the carbon copies handed out (that blew up), 560 certs signed but blank for any muppet to fill in, missing/mislaid certs by the PGDB,  incomplete certs, twink and different colour inks on certs excepted by the PGDB,  paper certs that are different to the electronic fox-pro cert system, licenses handed out to people who hadn’t sat an apprenticeship.....

Hazel has confidence in the gas certification system……really Hazel?..... You do know we are on about the gas SAFETY cert system?........ not the pile of magazines in the foyer…..FFS.

 ....this “fully investigated” investigation by PGDB in to its own mal-administration of the cert system.....well its like an artist looking for faults in his own painting that he is attempting to sell to us all....he ain't going to find anything wrong....or getting a surgeon to do the autopsy of someone who he is accused of actually putting on that autopsy table by malpractice, his own malpractice.

Then getting that surgeon to let us know what went wrong…. publishing his findings so we can “learn” what went wrong.

Is he going to?……. so he can be blamed, so he can blame himself...he just won't, he ain't never, ever going to.

That is why we need an independent, transparent, unbiased inquiry. For our industry to regain some of the respect and integrity that it had before these people got their claws in to it…..when it was run by honest trades people out of a town house in Lower Hutt, not some mirrored ivory tower in the capital, with newly installed security systems. The money spent on this mirrored luxury could have bought that town house ten fold.

The PGDB have past form for being incapable of judging them selves, just look at  the PGDB judging its own impartiality at my impartiality hearing .....to judge your own impartiality is a total oxymoronic misnomer, or in other words total bollox.

Impartial is……unbiased, unprejudiced, neutral, non-partisan, non-discriminatory, anti-discrimination, disinterested, uninvolved, uncommitted, detached, dispassionate, objective, open-minded, equitable, even-handed, fair, fair-minded.

Do you trust the PGDB to investigate its self, stand there and say…… hell yeah we granted a license to someone who blew that place up……an apprenticeship, nah we just had ONE oral exam (chat)…why? Oh we are all part of the same clubs, thought he was all good……the explosion? We’ll look into that…….

So the surgeon gets out his rusty scalpel, no need to wipe the blood off because the blood of the cadaver is the same as the once patient……. it is the once trusting patient.....he wipes his grubby hands in his egg and red sauce strewn medical scrubs, clears his cigarette choked throat and goes looking for the truth........does he look for the truth for his report. ...how did this guy die of blood poisoning, or does he report ...............nothing to see here, natural causes......NEXT PLEASE.....

You have all been duped for decades and paid for the pleasure in $2 million illegally taken funds,  license fees, licenses that you trained for…. that are gifted to their mates……and certs you paid for that were misplaced and mal-administered by the PGDB…..run so badly that we are left with the worst gas cert system in NZ history, ever…..

You reckon they are just going to stand up and say…..oooops, my bad……..are they f****, wake up.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #674 on: February 28, 2017, 02:14:13 PM »
I wonder if Martin is aware of......

As chief executive and registrar, it was Mr Routhan's responsibility to monitor the process for checking gas certificates and after he left, the board had reviewed all gas certificates.



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