The thing is guys....and I think this is the woolly mammoth's big brother taking a giant dump in front of the flat screen tv and preventing you watching Shortland St......


When the powers that be say the problem is too big to fix...(basically they can't fix this and keep their little club going).....then they need flushing, just like the mammoth shit they have laid....

Things started to decline with deregulation in the early 90's....you have seen what happened in my case .......totally covered up and someone nearly died.....just let that sink in.....someone nearly died and they covered it up, an hour earlier a few school kids could have died on their way to school.....but these people covered it up, putting themselves and their cronies above all that, whilst framing an innocent man.....the same guy who tried to warn them about this for 6 years......



And everyone is surprised that the cowboys are on the rise.......for fuuuuuuccckkkkksssss sake are you mental.......



Mammoth bullshit like this takes years to come out.....we are just seeing the start of it, mark my words......we have zero respect shown us.....we are governed by engineers and psychiatrists.....if any of these people were any good at their own "trades" they would be practising these skills in their own fields......

We need a shadow Board to keep these cunts honest.....rough, swearing cunts to keep the dishonest cunts honest......

From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 1:32 p.m.
To: 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'; 'phil.twyford@parliament.govt.nz'; 'Denise McElwain'; 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'; 'jayson@pgdb.co.nz'; 'Colleen Upton'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'lynnmoff'
Subject: Safety

 

Dear Jacinda,

 

I have copied in some others for clarity and transparency. I apologise in advance for this but if you take the time to read my email, my reasons will become apparent.

 

I understand this is a very busy time for you and am writing more from a point of view to perhaps get you or Phil or the new Building minister to look at this after the election. I have grave concerns for the Building industry as a whole and its on going affects to New Zealanders and planning for our future direction as a country.

 

You have recently and thankfully said that a new Labour Government will be a listening Government, a Government of action this will most definitely secure my vote and others around me.

 

I believe that a complaint of a cover up of a near fatal explosion carried out at an on going risk to the NZ public deserves to be listened to, before then acting to rectify the obvious problems and risks to New Zealanders in their homes and business’. Of Note this near fatal explosion happened to a nice everyday guy running a chip shop, similar to the one where you were given your first chance of work.

 

It doesn’t matter under whose watch any of this began but it most definitely needs fixing today, I say this because it appears that we have learnt nothing from issues raised like those of my case and things have sadly declined ever further since. Please see attached for an outline of the kangaroo court system and the biased premeditated persecution that my family was subjected to.

 

The short comings of the PGDB in my case are obvious. A total maladministration of the gas safety certificate system and the flippant issuing of gas licenses to cronies that resulted in the near fatal explosion, which was then covered up by the other cronies, with me as the scapegoat.

 

The PGDB still refuse to clear my name even though by their own reckoning I have done no wrong, please call me on this I have evidence aplenty.  I am a very experienced gasfitter but have been corruptly hounded out of my chosen profession of 25 years, in a dire shortage of experienced gasfitters.

 

Sadly since my case there has been a further decline in safety with the crazy notion to class all new installations of gasfitting work as low risk….and by reason of this low risk classification none of this new work is required to be registered anywhere, other than with the installer (apparently a shoe box under the bed would suffice). As far as I am aware none of this new work is audited. If this has changed please can those copied in let me know?

 

This raises a few questions……

 

If this new work goes unaudited how will we know the quality/safety level of this new work?

 

If any of this new, low risk gas work is to be checked or audited….. How would you know where to look? Would you ask the gasfitter to pick a job for auditing? Would he only pick his best work? Are those doing this new work experienced?

 

Let me be very clear any new work done incorrectly, even the smallest job can go horribly wrong.

 

Now bear in mind this “new work, low risk” system is being utilised in a skills/experience/supervisor shortage…. all done under the immense pressure of a lack of 60,000 homes.

 

The only measure available to us that I can see is by the damage done, after that damage is done. Again to those copied in please correct me if I am wrong.

 

I think deregulation was a mistake, but even deregulation initially gave us a self certifying gas system with unique gas safety certificates (certs) sold by books identified by a unique cert number for each cert, sold to a specific licence holder identified by his unique license number, it was traceable and it was audited.

 

These unique certs had a triple carbon copy of the original handwritten pink top copy; this top copy was then held by the PGDB. With the subsequent carbon copies then held separately and independently by the gas supplier, the gasfitter and the customer. These four independent document depositories was an effective honesty mechanism with a handwritten, verifiable and traceable way of filling in the unique cert, with a real signature done by hand. But even this has all gone now. Of note it was this honestly mechanism that showed the shortcomings of the PGDB’s administration of the safety cert system.

 

This present day classification of all new gas work as low risk is an ill informed move in its own right, but to do it in a time period where there is a huge shortage of experienced gasfitters …….and add to that it being done in a housing shortage of 60,000 homes is nothing short of insane. We are installing the problems of tomorrow, today……and sadly doing it knowingly.

 

The Building industry is doing it hard and its not the tradesman’s fault. The answer is not to brush any of this under the carpet; no one ever learns from “addressing” it in this way, it will just make for trip hazards in the future.

 

For example look at the leaky homes.

 

The leaky home fiasco caused a kneejerk reaction to go and license the builders and get them to self certify their building work, for 25 years I am told (I really feel for them in this).

 

From my point of view when this happened the people who should have bore most of the blame (those in product sales/promotion, building design and regulation (actually deregulation) did not suffer any……so a system was sort to lay blame if it happens again, but only after it happens again. All put on the tradesman, we are apparently the whipping boy for all the shortcomings of the professionals.

 

For example one of the solutions to these leaky homes is to use treated timber (you really should look up the chemical compounds used in this treatment of timber). The treated timber is used so that if/when the building leaks it doesn’t rot (well not so quickly)……we are putting these chemicals in our homes (not to mention in the lungs of our tradies who work drilling and sawing it).

 

The old tried and trusted methods of building with proper flashings, extended eaves and external guttering to name but a few make the old houses so sound it’s a testament to our predecessors. We should be looking toward these older guys more than to the modern designers that have a “vision” and want an upside down roof, with an internal gutter, minimalist eaves if any, all with walls made of a few mm of plaster over polystyrene sheets.

 

Most tradesmen, but not all, are committed to quality and safety……there are a “cowboy few”… a dirty dozen if you will, and there always will be, who will put profit before quality and safety. But this number is growing.

 

This “cowboy few” will grow as more people get away with it. The self regulation/certifying system, just as evidenced with the gas system, empower cowboys and disadvantage the honest.

 

The PGDB recently admitted the number of cowboys is on the rise……if this is so, then this system above is already failing badly. Please see attached news article for PGDB’s own opinion.

 

Is this the system in this attached news article that we want or need? Because this is what we are setting up for the future…..a two tier system of shoddy even dangerous initial work done in people’s HOMES, first done by the cowboys (who incidentally pocket most of the profit by the way and are more likely to survive financially)….. which is then repaired by the few licensed tradesman left? Of note these experienced few are leaving and /or retiring because they are either fed up of it or going out of business.

 

This two tier system is done at a cost to the average home owner that is huge, it is double dipping at its worst, not to mention the risk to their health and safety…..where will we be in tens years time with the decline in numbers of the jaded experienced guys?

 

I have also read that a worrying amount of the building repairs done at the sites of the recent earthquakes and floods are being flagged as substandard and need redoing. Again a two tier system of ever growing costs, not just to owners but to government and insurance companies, not to mention the sanity and feelings of the poor occupiers.

 

The old system worked much better, i.e. proper regulation with proper apprenticeships overseen by audits/inspections and decent understandable clear concise industry standards, written in plain English.

 

Of note: My old boss was gifted his full certifying license with no apprenticeship….most, if not all the evidence points to him, he even had previous form….but gets away with a near fatal explosion, even after facing a charge but this charge conveniently disappears……what message does this send to his cronies, or any other potential cowboys thinking of doing the same?

 

Impunity leads to corruption which leads to profit put before safety.

 

Connected people will always tend to act with impunity, that’s why they invest in their connections and cronyism…..it’s a protection against prosecution. When this is in place and is shown to work as it did in my case……it empowers these people (and their mates) to act detrimentally to the public, putting profit before repercussions ( this is a bad joke because there are little to no repercussions and the profits are huge). We are yet to see the problems of the future…..the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is being replaced with a hearse, that’s if this hasn’t already happened.

 

It’s the job of regulation, i.e. Government… to keep the trades and their Governing Boards honest, most will be happy to comply and would do the right thing anyway, but there will always be those that don’t.

 

When you run a business the cost/profit margin is always weighed against the work undertaken and how it is carried out and this will always be a massive consideration. When times are hard even the most conscientious tradesman may sacrifice some of his commitments to quality even safety………..especially when faced with going under.

 

In putting others needs before your self……the temptation is huge. I am speaking from experience as I have been there…..I lost my whole business due to the unfounded and unwarranted actions of the PGDB but folded before I put profit before quality and others safety. The temptation was huge because I wanted to be with my family and not be forced to work away from them just so we could eat; my boys were 3 and 5 at the time. I will never get those years back.

 

The well meaning conscientious tradesman will comply but under an ever increasing burgeoning cost…..the cowboys never adhere to these costs. You see the cowboys charge just a fraction less, undercutting the honest…..but in doing so make a much much greater profit. It is a mess.

 

You only find out after it has gone wrong and by then these cowboys have filled their pockets and moved on …..and maybe they are connected enough to get away with nearly killing someone and paying a nominal fee of a few thousand dollars……..what message does this send to others who consider this avenue of small to no repercussions whilst making a huge profit? It is a wild west of Cowboys and Idiots.

 

The trades have been very badly run and disorganised since deregulation. We are now lacking numbers due to profit put before apprenticeships (don’t get me started on the ITO’s history) and added to this we are loosing the much needed experience in the industry due to the attrition of compliance fatigue, age and financial pressure. When these older guys are gone we are frankly screwed with a very hard journey to even get back to where we are now.

 

And so in answer to these shortages we are calling for a flood of as many apprentices as we can muster whilst allowing ever more “skilled” people into the country to fill positions to build this shortage of homes and fill our depleted ranks.

 

What if we over shoot in these numbers (which we will) and cause the “housing bubble” to burst, not just within the building industry but within the housing market as a whole…….this could easily happen when all this extra work is done and we have a glut of tradesman…… and inevitably a glut of houses. Businesses will start to fold in a housing crash and the dog eats dog competition kicks in….. will people then put profit before safety?…..after what we have told them what is ok in the past…….its a no brainer. How bad do we want to make the outlook for our kids?

 

Why do we not plan for our future, isn’t it is our kid’s world that we build? I find it totally bizarre and deeply disappointing that apparently the greedy cronies filling their pockets at the trough in the short term, putting profit even convenience before our future is ok?

 

I hope you are going to lead a Government that will ask the hard questions but even more importantly come up with the even harder answers that are inconvenient to the cronies with their noses in the trough.

 

Michael Cullen started in the right place, but it inevitably failed because the PGDB were then re-filled with the same type of people that were sacked. And since been populated with people happy to cover this up, it isn’t going in the right direction……Even the PGDB say that cowboys are on the rise. Experienced people are dropping off the other end……what do think will happen if this trajectory is allowed to continue? There is an opportunity here for a better direction.

 

I am happy to answer any queries, even to travel anywhere in NZ and bring with me a wealth of information. Perhaps we could meet at the PGDB offices in Wellington?

 

I am happy to wait until after the election but please Jacinda, or someone at your office, can you please read the attached documents and can you acknowledge receipt of this email?

 

Yours With Integrity Paul Gee.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I been out of the game now for some years..... since being framed for something I did not do, something I actually tried warning about it..... before the explosion for 6 years.....so I am a bit out of touch....but....can you please tell me if this below is true....


All new gas installs don't require to be registered in any independent register of work, this so called "low risk" gas work is not being audited......

This is happening in a climate of low numbers of gas experience and supervision.....

Not to forget its being done in a real push to catch up with a shortage of 60,000 houses........

Oh and on top of that there is a increase of cowboys....(I wonder why?  *)........

All this is being policed by people who are happy to turn a blind eye to a cover up of a near fatal explosion, letting the guilty walk free at the expense of the innocent....





* I wonder why people think they can get away with being a cowboy.....perhaps it is because there is a very limited way of checking work, even finding where it is...let alone the standard of the work........UNTIL IT GOES WRONG.....

I feel for this poor guy, I have no idea of his problems or his causes.....but I do understand how you can feel so low and so helpless, poor bugger






http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/person-sets-fire-to-themselves-at-parliament/ar-AAshxGM?li=AAaUOAg&ocid=ientp

Some definitions of some words......apply them to the emails and the attachment.......how can I say these things with out repercussion....ah that would be because it is true....and I have a lot of evidence........






Corrupt

adjective

Having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

‘unscrupulous logging companies assisted by corrupt officials’

Evil or morally depraved.

 ‘the old corrupt order’




Integrity......
noun

1The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
‘a gentleman of complete integrity’

The condition of being unified or sound in construction.






From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 10:17 a.m.
To: 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Colleen Upton'; 'Rt. Hon. Winston Peters'; 'Denise McElwain'; 'jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz'
Subject: RE: A cover up at a risk to the NZ Public

 

Hi Martin,

 

You would have had time to read my email sent Fri 20/10/2017 7:04 a.m. with the file attached, attached here again for your convenience and to give this email stream some context and clarity, also see the email below.

 

I also would ask that you table this attached document that has been in your possession now for some time at the next PGDB meeting. I would ask each and every PGDB member to pass comment on this “Brief History” or at the very least confirm that they have read it.

 

I say brief because I have edited it down some what, there (as you are fully aware) is a much bigger picture in the failings of the PGDB’s mal administering of the gas safety certificate system uncovered by my witch-hunt, not forgetting the flippant issuing of licenses to people favourable to the PGDB, whilst withholding licenses to more deserving people.

 

I would ask all of you copied in if covering up this fiasco….. at a very real risk to the NZ public is helpful or even legal. The PGDB have exhausted my funds and caused me a huge amount of undue stress, they have terrorised my wife and had a detrimental effect on my life, business and reputation. Is this fair?

 

I have tried my hardest to act with in the law and it has failed me, but also the people of NZ when seen in the context of my case with regards to the on going safety of gas in their homes. It is countrywide.

 

The PGDB talk of regaining trust within the industry and re-establishing the integrity lost over the last decade…..I assure you brushing this under the carpet will achieve neither.

 

I have only the truth on my side.

 

The PGDB often give us lowly tradesman the option of “coming clean” when they have made mistakes to avoid undue court costs, the PGDB publically talk of the importance of the NZ publics safety, pontificating about high work standards, abiding by the rules for the greater good, about protecting reputations and building relationships…..but the PGDB only do all of this when addressing others…..the PGDB do this while you ignore your own standards in your actions. This makes you one of the worst hypocrites there are…..self centred, blind in your own power hypocrites……that do a they please endangering others as you go.

 

You may need to look up integrity as I feel you have absolutely no idea what it is.

 

 

 

Please call me on my allegations because the in excess of 300 documents prove what I claim.

 

 

 

There is a very real danger to the NZ public which has come about under the PGDB’s watch and mal-administration of their charges of safety and administration. It has been run like a gentleman’s club that sadly lacks any gentleman.

 

Ask the PGDB about the mal-administration of the so called (and very ironically) gas SAFETY certificate system….that carried a disclaimer for accuracy…. until updated and edited by today’s present watch.

 

All this previous work is still out there…..with the now added bonus of all “new” gas work being deemed “low” risk and requiring no independent registering of that work anywhere other than with the tradesman who is installing the work, all this work not independently audited……please see attachment for extent of this failure to protect against those unscrupulous gasfitters that would turn a blind eye to their own work to allow them to make money……all done in a housing shortage of 60,000 homes…..the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff has been replaced by a hearse…..the avoidable decline in the industry over the last decade is deplorable and down right dangerous.

 

Yours with Integrity Paul Gee.

 

 


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From: Paul & Emma Gee [mailto:gspservices@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, 20 October 2017 7:04 a.m.
To: 'martin@pgdb.co.nz'
Cc: 'Wal Gordon'; 'Rt. Hon. Winston Peters'
Subject: A cover up at a risk to the NZ Public

 

Martin,

 

I want to ensure you are totally aware of my version of events and ask you to correct anything that is untrue in this statement attached. If it is true, as I am 100% sure it is…..how does this help protect the NZ public?

 

Thank you

 

Paul Gee

The truth has integrity and should be aspired to.......to cover up corruption (basically telling fibs) means you are tainted by that corruption and should be shunned.............corruption lacks any integrity.....

I might be wrong (I am just a mere plumber and not a learned "professional") but that's my take on it...........

Simple question Martin Sawyers CEO of the PGDB and all the PGDB members.......was my case handled with integrity? A simple yes or no.......no double speak......read the attachment below.....you decide!

 

So you can all see the mettle of this PGDB.......How will they act.....will Martin Sawyers refuse to show the PGDB this evidence or will they willingly accept it all......or will they stand for the truth and integrity? How they act can give you all a good indication of what they are.....

When these documents are tabled and they see this state of affairs they should be appalled and want this addressed.....you see anyone who joins a continuous membership Board inherits the actions of those who went before them.......

The PGDB a few years back celebrated 100 years of existence, not its 100th new member nor its 100th incarnation.....but its 100th year of being.....

The present PGDB should ask themselves how would your predecessors and your future members view this ignoring of blatant evidence, protecting the guilty and persecuting the innocent?

Think on this...... the PGDB and numerous people in charge, know you know all this.... but don't seem to care that you can see how blatantly dodgy all this is.......

I believe it says a lot about their attitude toward you and your trade and how you can assume you will be treated should you fall foul of them......



FFS.....A guy nearly got killed and they are covering it up and not going after the guy who most if not all the evidence points to.....really? Oh wait there they gifted him his full license with no apprenticeship sat......respect for our trade, I struggle to see anything other than contempt for us.



Does anyone remember the old kids story about the Emperor's new clothes?


Next time the PGDB make a press release or swagger into a meeting and swish their imagined sparkly new robe of plumbing excellence and openly boast of safety....about standards of work.....about fairness and integrity...... about saving the good people of NZ, keeping them safe from dodgy cowboys and ruffians.....

You can either say "those new clothes really suit you Emperor"........ as you look straight at their sickly, pasty and pock marked figures trying not to make eye contact with their bare body of dodgy dealings and cover ups...........(I am talking figuratively about their body of work not their actual physiques).

Or you can tell them that the Emperor's New Clothes are non existent and you can see their bare bum (and it ain't a nice one either). Delusional springs to mind, that and just plain dodgy hypocrisy.