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Offline Wal

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Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« on: June 05, 2015, 05:39:52 AM »
The Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board have taken the step to consult on Fees and Levies and the first stage of collecting information from the industry has finished. The next step where the industry can have further input is in August to October when the Board will further consult by way of meetings with the industry.

Now there is no sense in worrying about how the Board has collected or spent the money as the Government has covered any unlawful actions with the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Amendment Bill 2013. What the Federation believes is one of the biggest issues in the Fees and Levy Review is the time allocation which is the basis of the fees and levies.The Federation has the perception based on the information made available by the Board that the entire 2012 fees and levy review figures were based on assumptions and very little if any was based on provable fact.


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2015, 06:25:05 AM »
I find this very interesting.....the Board claiming time for gas certificate administration is like Dr Shipman claiming time for patient care, he killed most of his charges too.

Where is Nick Smith now with the loss of all these people not re-licencing in this climate of a building shortage? is he too blind to see through these figures?

Looks like the black-market will be ticking over nicely and the people who are left with the licences making a monopoly....it will get worse and the prices will sky-rocket, if you look who are left, it will show you who made it happen, same people who are over represented on the Board (against the recommendations of the NZ Law society) for too long.

Perhaps we could ask the Yanks to look at it and do a FIFA on them?
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2015, 09:17:18 AM »
Dead right Badger.  Perhaps your mate Nick Smith needs to go to Spec Savers.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2015, 05:04:20 PM »
Or Dr Shipman....lol.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2015, 09:42:22 PM »
So I got to thinking.....Over the years, since the cert system has running, how much does this add up to 14% for over a decade, or even at the 25 dollars a pop....probably quite a few quid.

Now it is a fact that this cert system was run so badly that it had to carry a disclaimer....and not shortly there after it was removed from the Board's charge....

We as an Industry have paid for these gas certificates and included in this cost was the "service" of administering those certs, you know like entering them into the "f****s-pro" cert system.

So we are consumers are we not.....now I know most "Acts" seem only to apply in screwing us over......but take comfort we now have the Consumers Guarantee Act...

Lets See what it says.....



Under the Consumer Guarantees Act, your consumer rights are expressed as a series of "guarantees" that a seller automatically makes to you when you buy any goods or services.

The Act covers the goods (new and second-hand) and services ordinarily purchased for personal, domestic or household use.
"Goods" can include pretty much everything in and around the home.

Those "goods" include pretty much everything in and around the home – from appliances to vehicles, furniture to food. Gas, electricity, water and computer software are also covered.

"Services" include things done by tradespeople like plumbers and painters, professionals like dentists and lawyers, after-sales and repair services from shops, and all the services you get from insurers, petrol stations, travel agents ... in general, if you pay for it, it's covered.

Services
Service providers guarantee their services will be:
•   Performed with reasonable care and skill.
•   Fit for the particular purpose they were supplied for.
•   Completed within a reasonable time.
•   A reasonable price, if no price or pricing formula has been previously agreed.


A service provider must fix the problem within a reasonable time.
If the problem can't be fixed, or can't be put right within a reasonable time, or is substantial, you can:
•   Reject the product and choose a replacement of the same type and similar value or a full refund of your purchase price; or
•   Claim compensation for any drop in the value of the product or service.
•   Cancel the service contract, pay for any satisfactory work already done, and get someone else to finish the repairs; or
•   Have it repaired elsewhere and recover the costs from the retailer, if they refuse to fix a faulty product, or fail to do so in a reasonable time.

Consequential loss
In addition to these rights, consumers may also claim for any reasonably foreseeable extra loss that results from the initial problem.




So does this apply to us?

If it doesn't.......what guarantee's do we have when we get screwed over?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2015, 05:41:00 AM »
Don't forget Badger that the Board spent around $600,000 setting up a computer system to operate the gas certificate system, which we all paid for and the government wrote off with the stroke of a pen when they implemented the stupid gas certification system they have now.  This seems like normal behaviour where the government change the system and we have to pay the cost.

You would notice the Federation said in the Fellow Practitioner this week that the Government made lawful the unlawful activities of the Board so that may cover the breaches you are talking about with the Consumers Guarantee Act.     

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2015, 07:04:39 AM »
Now that there is no real requirement for certificates, how many of you are noticing more work from unqualified persons. And worse, just sloppy work from people you know are qualified?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 257 Dated 5 June 2015
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2015, 10:14:41 AM »
Getting rid of inspectors and setting up a self certifying system was a mistake, a huge mistake.....it was an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.

Letting people print their own certs with no registration, no inspection and all the above being profit driven.....it is a hearse next to a blue body or a crater.

Not running this badly thought out system fairly and with good intent, it is criminal neglect.


All brought in to put the profit before the public's safety, this is morally reprehensible.


Years ago I have said, and others, that a monopoly was coming, and those who have brought all this in are benefiting by it... a lot... the less competition, all the better if you control the machine that issues and with holds licenses.......I just hope the builders are aware what they are in for, the whole of NZ for that matter.

I have already met several builders who have said "I am out, its bullshit".....


So far all I have seen proves to me that what they pontificate about is the opposite in reality, bringing down the cost of building a home and ensuring safety........it is the total opposite.

What a legacy, they must be so chuffed.



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