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Offline Wal

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Fellow Practitioner Issue 327 Dated 17 February 2017
« on: February 17, 2017, 06:14:02 AM »
Member of Parliament admits doing their own Sanitary Plumbing?
Is the Minister of Building and Construction sitting on the review of the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006?
Do you think Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers DESIGN or do they confirm?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 327 Dated 17 February 2017
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 07:39:25 AM »
Some excellent points made there.  The Government review of the PGDB Act is typical of how they view our trades.  We see several Ministers of the Crown bemoaning the housing shortage and then telling us in stellar terms what their party is doing to solve it.  They talk about the lag time in construction while they see training sorted for apprentices who can help with this mammoth job - but on the other hand they are not willing to tackle some of the real issues facing those in the construction sector.  They leave our trades 100% paying for the policing of illegal operators.  We saw recently on stuff the sweep in Auckland netting 25 illegal operators - I will bet that is the tip of the iceberg.  Furthermore I believe the Government will know that - one could suspect that they do not want to put funds into a cleaning up of the mess in Auckland as it would round up several illegal immigrants for one, and all sorts of operators that are not working within the law.  This would slow down the housing construction and so it could be said that Government are tactfully turning a blind eye.  Anecdotally there are also stories around Auckland of backhanders to Council inspectors.   I think the PGDB should be congratulated for rounding up 25 - but surely this is a drop in the bucket compared to how many infringers are really out there.  Imagine the cost to plumbers, gasfitters and drainlayers if this problem was tackled head on.  Government don't see us as important at all - and their attitude to the review of the Act - which would surely tidy up some of the messes they made first time round - is appalling - but typical.

Keep up the fight Wal and team.   Keep shining a light into the dark holes - and keep us informed on what you find.  Lately there appears to be a growing apathy amongst industry - something I put down to the fact that we are all busy and can put food on the table.  Everyone out there has to keep pushing for what is right and fair.  If we don't then we can blame no one but ourselves.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 327 Dated 17 February 2017
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 08:41:18 AM »
Thank you Federation for still all these years later backing me and helping me, it means so much to my wife and I.

I ask you readers to consider this, and it worries me that the opposition haven't jumped on it (why, I have told a lot of them).....the explosion happened in Nick smiths back yard and he is the minister responsible for this portfolio.....

I have told him many times about my concerns that Darnley worked for decades in his constituency empowered by the PGDB but was clueless, worse he didn't care he was clueless.....his installs are still out there and can take years for all the ducks to line up for an incident.....he does nothing to my knowledge to look into this.....in the peoples homes who vote him in.....really?

I have copied and pasted my take on matters below from my other post....

And here in lies the problem.....those effecting/lobbying the people who are making the laws wanted control of the trade/business.....enter the craftsman license....

So they implemented the..."You can't run a business with out a craftsman license"......because (and this makes me laugh a lot)...we are worried that business are going out of business, not because of bad trade practice but business short comings........if you get the license, these are the people who actually put me out of business....real caring like....

But those implementing the craftsman status......well we are going to award ourselves full craftsman licenses and impose accountancy and business law and tax rules to the craftsman qualification.......making it very hard for those who are practically minded to achieve....

What happened next was a decline in competition (so it worked short term)..... but the resulting shortage of tradesman (a long term f**** up)......BUT the short minded self serving twats forgot* to factor in.................(*forgot , see couldn't care less, their pockets are full)

That with great power comes great responsibility.....and liability and fines etc.....

So now the business owners want people to work for them with the craftsman license....because, as with my case, you can royally screwed if anything happens....and you're in the craftsman/responsibility seat.....taking full responsibility for a multitude of people of varying levels of skill, or the lack there of.....

So now we are entering the stage of levels of supervision, to distance the CEO's from the work, al a Pyke River scenario......people are seeing that deregulation is a short term gain with massive short falls....you see Pyke River changed the game......that CEO in my opinion should do time, the poor families effected, just for trying to earn a crust is just terrible, my hart goes out to them, it is appalling they can't go get their sons, husbands brothers.......

But this has changed the game....

With ever more levels of "supervision" i.e. distancing yourself from responsibility.....added to ever decreasing numbers of craftsman level supervisors......well I can only think of one word.....

Clusterf**** springs to mind.....two giant bullet wounds in both feet.....they want all the business with none of the responsibility......to those reading this from the PGDB I ask you......with in the trades who are the worst at complying......those who think they are above the law or those who aren't as "connected".......hmmmmm, I wonder.




Well what I think will happen is they will further dumb down our industry and allow muppets to sign off for profit needs and housing shortage needs......basically to cover the work load and still fill their pockets.....



There is one easy answer.... but those driving this hearse of an industry will have to swallow their giant pride and admit they got it so very wrong......

Remove the craftsman status and make everyone responsible for their own work, overseen by well paid neutral inspectors......please before all the knowledge of the guys retiring is gone and we are left with the results of the last ten years of those in power f****ing up our industry and filling their pockets.

People who lobbied for the gas craftsman license represented those selling gas......the self servers who implemented it saw they could corner the market.....but guys your idea has resulted in a total decline in the industry, every time someone hears of an incident or poor gas performance or an explosion.....well they go electric or solar......basically anything but gas.......you're ill conceived plan isn't working.....and is going to decline, if not decline then achieve its full potential.....it is just plain bad business. Gas is an awesome energy product, but it is stored energy that not only deserves respect, but demands it.

My case could be used to sweep clean some of the dodgy bastards.....then once the tower of shite starts to crumble I can guarantee that those who fall, will never fall alone and will drag the other scum with them....

If you build on fear, back room deals and corruption you will ultimately fail......because you are made up of scared little people with no morals or backbone, who in the full light of public scrutiny will go up in a puff of smoke, like most other parasitic vampires......lurking in the dark like bogymen....


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 327 Dated 17 February 2017
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 09:19:32 AM »
The other backlash to the shortage of tradesman......a flood of newbies......

Supply and demand......when these new guys have helped build the shortage of housing....what are they going to do?....well when we have a surplus of tradies wages go down....and today we can demand a bit more because of the shortage.....

If only we could all see the big picture....what's good for one side (employee's/employer's) today is bad for the other and vice versa tomorrow.....

If you want to grow something strong and durable you do it slow and steady with as little fluctuations of extremes as possible......those that over fill their pocket today rob the future.....


I thought it was for those that govern, to steady the ship.....not rob its hull.




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 327 Dated 17 February 2017
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 10:27:07 AM »
Maybe the problem is that the Members of Parliament and Ministers are only in for a short period of time so they can just do enough to get by. They stall for time so they can line their pockets and get their free travel.  On the other hand we are in it for the long haul so we look to the future. You mark my words the minster will never meet with the Federation as he wouldn't want to be seen to be getting pressured into making a decision which is good for the industry.  He'll continue to meet with others who he can say represent the industry and look where that has got us in the last two decades. It he doesn't want people pointing the finger at his he should meet with the Federation and simply ask then what needs to be done.  They seem to have a good track record so far.   I suppose  that's what happens when people do what they do for passion not money.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 327 Dated 17 February 2017
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 10:42:10 AM »
I would be happy to address this in a public forum and discuss the corruption that appears to attempt to cover up a near fatal explosion in his back yard of Nelson and have him put his point of view forward, in front of the people who he appears to refuse to represent with regards to the risks inflicted upon his constituency, in front of that constituency.

Perhaps an opposition member could join us and we could all air our concerns at the Nelson Market.

Got until September to arrange, anyone want to hold the camera....


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