hi Ford1, yeah been around for a long time go back and look at some of my posts, you have to keep the pressure on or:- do nothing and nothing will happen... The powers of be work on the principle of, ignore them long enough and they will go away,  we cant let that happen or all is lost, cheers 

ok good one so what do you  gurus think of the federations one class of rego for everyone ?

I'm in favour of the one class of registration, providing the apprenticeship is a 10000 hour one.  It is like going back to the future - the old apprenticeships were this long and it covers off the experience required.  There are insufficient supervisors at the moment which leads to all sorts of weird arrangements that are sometimes dubious at best.  We have certifiers in one part of the country saying they are supervisors to people in other parts of the country.  We have certifiers whoring their tickets to others who are not able to work without some form of supervision - yet they are not fulfilling their legal requirements.  I think that if the training is improved and the apprenticeship lengthened then we could safely embrace a one qualification type scenario.  Many say "well I had to sit a separate exam" and use this for justification why others should also.  It's not a strong enough argument in my book.  The Federation put a strong case up for one qual and the only arguments I have heard against it appear to be from people patch protecting or wanting others to have to do what they did.  The key is the additional 2000 hours on the apprenticeship.