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Offline Wal

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Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« on: April 28, 2017, 06:19:59 AM »
Is the Government imposing regulation because its cheaper than education?  While training in the industry is at an all time low the Government reviews regulation and how to impose on those already qualified. How long before they realise tradespeople will simply leave the industry?  Give us your thoughts.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2017, 08:41:10 AM »
The Government have left the run too late to train people which is a long term goal. They have cocked up the apprenticeship training scheme and the only option open to them now is to impose regulation on tradespeople as that can be done at the click of a finger. Look at the retrospective legislation they imposed on the industry to cover their arse. 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2017, 08:58:23 AM »
Think of it this way.  Money given to the ITO for training is wasted and it would take time and effort for the Government to fix the issues. Regulation of our industry is paid for by us the tradespeople hence the reason the Government has opted to regulate rather than educate - it doesn't cost them a cent.  Their shortsightedness will cost them big time in 5 years time when a lot of the industry experience retire.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2017, 03:04:49 PM »
Watchdog you bring up a very important point.  Our best trained plumbers, gasfitters and drainlayers are getting older, and inching towards retirement.   Following them are those that did a much shorter apprenticeship and have not gone on to certifying status.  The numbers in industry that train apprentices is woefully low and so this shortage could have been predicted some years ago.  Those of us that take on apprentices cut the numbers down during the recession as we did not have sufficient work and now we are seeing the results.  The thing that annoys me the most is those that don't take on apprentices and then swoop on third years with very lucrative wage offers - they haven't had to pay any of the costs to get them to this stage and then just reap the benefits of our hard work.  There should be an expensive transfer fee.   The merchants has just become a feeding ground for unscrupulous employers pinching staff that they aren't prepared to training themselves.  I don't blame the guys taking the bait, but I wish these guys would consider training their own.
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2017, 08:28:57 PM »
 Speaking of skilled and experienced tradesmen coming into retirement age and  the widening skills shortage.
 It's worth taking a look at u tube video clip of Mike Rowe addressing the Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee in new York. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_pp8CHEQ0
There are many video clips addressing this situation and it has been known for years that there will be an upcoming skill shortage across all sectors. The possible exceptions are perhaps the hot air blowing, latte swilling experts and do nothing and produce nothing for years review committees and their ilk of which we seem to have an over abundance here in Godzone.

Just remember that when you do retire what sort of Muppett's will be making the decisions that will affect you life?
Be scared very scared!

''Never have so many been fooled by so few''
Plumbing is not a career it is a disease....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2017, 08:03:45 PM »
Yes we see it coming but what is the solution?  Those that train aren't going to increase the number of apprentices in lean times - they simply can't afford it - so the bust boom cycle will continue unless perhaps Government looks at some sort of subsidy for employers taking on apprentices, or what do people think about a training levy on all plumbers, gasfitters and drainlayers to fund training new apprentices?  I'm in two minds on this myself - and I'm still not sure which side I come down on, I feel differently about it on different days.  Interested to hear others opinions.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 332 Dated 28 April 2017
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2017, 08:46:25 PM »
good points jaxcat, in my opinion two things can solve this but both are unlikely to happen.
1. government has to help employers in the way of funding to take on apprentices
2. the apprentice has to be able to certify his own work unsupervised when he completes his time just like every other trade in nz


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