Hi,Guys,Comparing `Airline Pilots/Architects` to plumbers/gasfitters/Drainlayers, as an argument to enforce the disciplinary/offence fee is not a fair comparison, I don`t know of any ` Airline Pilots/Architects` that are working for the minimum wage unlike some workers in the plumbing industry such as :- apprentices/drainage workers, Ruth Dyson did a great job of defending the federations actions of complaining about what is not in the act, but she needs to spell out the exact costs verses the  remuneration  of these examples that minister Williamson is using compared to our trade rates, also we haven’t touched on up-skilling costs yet. I don`t think we are ever going to get any national member on board or Banks or Dunn so if it is left to parliament to sort it, the outcome in our favour looks doubtful , where too from here,cheers   

I dunno, but Maurice looked a bit rattled last night on the Parliament channel.....the part where he mixed up the names of the federation and master plumbers was priceless.

With enough numbers, backed with a strong argument....they got no chance.

I phoned the Nelson Pizza Hut to ask if it had exploded, ironically the only pizza cooking related explosion he knew of was the chip shop, where ironically the pizza oven cert is the one that lacks any gas leak test results and still goes un-resolved after ironically spending $200 000.00 of DISAPLINARY fee's' very ironic.....

The board definately need a way to resolve this , as is well documented , the cost to prosecute any individual who is not licenced is hugely expensive , this sector cannot continue to fund such a system , as we licenced people have to pay, our rates will need to increase which in turn will only compound the problem as it will become more attractive for consumers to use unlicenced people as they will be cheaper , the answer may be to prosecute also the consumer as well , and make sure it is in the media so the message goes out to the general public . One case I am alluding to is the Paraparumu one where the consumer knowingly employed a non qualified person to carry out plumbing work and then complained to the board who in turn did prosecute that person but should have also prosecuted the homeowners , this would have been a great opportunity to send a clear message to the public , alas they did not. I have sent an email to my local National representative outlining the fact Mr Williamson may be digging himself and the National party a hole that they may regret . It is going to be interesting to use Williamson quote (where this is going to land )

Everyone and I mean NZ as a whole, needs to ask them selves.....

what sort of democracy do we live in..... if we are with merit and ample evidence, concerned about the very real situation of being singled out for persecution for airing our thoughts for discussion with fellow tradesman, airing thoughts about the potential cronyism and corruption so we can fix it.....by those in power, we are not in North Korea or Syria.

Who has the power, in a fair and equal society, that these people pontificate about and can't publically say contrary or otherwise, to act and do this......with the backing of the law!!!!!

One thing I am certain of is they should think long and hard before they go me again, real hard.

I know what channel I'll be sat with a box of pop corn with on Tuesday....hell yeah Jax......lets have it.

He has certainly made a fool of himself , it is quite clear that pgdb have authority to go after anyone they like, see regulations 122/123/125(2006 act) how they fund this, that is the problem ,.
Williamson is for want of a more blunt word misleading the public on this , the best advice I have ever been given is when you cockup something admit immediately , dont keep trying to fix it by denial and attack and dig yourself a hole you cant get out of .