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Offline robbo

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Re: certification help
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2013, 09:19:39 PM »
hi guys/Bowtieboy, can`t see how the owner can be asking you to fund repairs that may or may not have been required, if there was an issue with what you had done then the owner should have contacted you to fix/repair/put right. If you refused to do that he is then able to nominate a repairer and passs the bill to you, however in this case being `gasfitting work` he must then issue a gas cert as this is now classified as high risk,cheers
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2013, 09:23:20 PM »
your dead right robbo.!!
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2013, 10:04:11 PM »
Bowtieboy.
 I hope this all goes well for you,
all the more reason for  Gasfitters, plumbers, drainlayers to have a  good look at the liability they carry in the course of plying their trade. Another reason for having a good peer network, like this fourm.


 
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2013, 05:17:11 PM »
The right to remedy in the first instance is I am sure fairly entrenched in law.  If you were never given the opportunity to re-visit and if necessary put right then I do not believe you can be held culpable, unless the situation was immediately dangerous and you were unavailable, and even then I would have thought the onus was on them to prove they attempted to contact you.

To strengthen your case, do you need to file a complaint with the PGDB over uncertified gas work?  You obviously have proof that work was carried out by someone other than yourself in the court papers.  And for a certifier to do work and not certify it - well there really is no excuse is there.  I agree, and I drum in to my apprentices to keep good work diaries and to never throw them away, especially when it comes to gas work.

You can privately contact the Federation through Wal if you need any technical advice as we now have a small group who have made themselves available. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2013, 09:03:41 PM »
can you give us any clues? what exactly is wrong (according to the other 'gasfitter') with your installation?
The suspense is killing me.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2013, 07:37:03 PM »
07442, sorry but I wont be giving any  detail at this time.
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2013, 08:20:47 PM »
evening all, who is the gas fitting guru here? I have a very specific question about a gas appliance that I would like a opinion on.   
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2013, 10:02:30 PM »
Fire away - we have a number of certifying gasfitters with heaps of experience in one place, including a specialist serviceman of many years experience.
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2013, 08:22:07 PM »
And up date for you all on my court case...
a big thank you to Jaxcat for sound advise and a little help with tools to use in court.
I won my case against the owners of a building who had another gas fitter come in and claim my work was all wrong.( he charged them a arm and a leg blaming me! but I really believe he was a opportunist and just saw a easy target !)
 
The judge said the gas fitter had provided no evidence that the original installation was incorrect, and that the work he had done was completely at the discretion of the owners of the building and was over and above the requirements of the manufactures installation instructions.
I made it quite clear that the gas fitter had not certified the alterations yet the judge made no comment of this in the summery.

all in all a good out come, but also a lesson. keep good records of everything, including emails to customers, with dates etc.
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2013, 09:21:23 PM »
just be careful thinking you will have the emails forever as the holders of that info are only required to hold it for 7?years


I had a heap of data that was lost due to this happening to me where the email service provider automatically deleted anything that rolled over to 7yr old
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2013, 08:31:00 PM »
Only just seen this thread - well done Bowtie Boy - and just goes to show the value of a forum like this where we can all pitch in with information.  I bet you can sleep a bit better now.  All this stuff just adds to the stress of our everyday lives - when what we just want to do is a good job and go home.  Gasfitting will become more and more about paperwork and photos and records - goodness help us if plumbing goes self certifying.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2013, 08:57:32 AM »
hi guys, could,nt agree more Jax, this site/forum has done more for our trades in advice/update of regs and help in so many areas than anything in the past, i think it is a great shame that the `Board`had not taken a more friendly approach years ago rather than a bullying money grabbing entity that it now is. Well done BowtieBoy i believe that your case is a good example,cheers
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2013, 08:06:16 PM »
thanks Jax and robbo, your dead right, this web site helped me get through what I considered was a bloody night mere!!
I remember the days when we could ring up the old pgdb ... ask for a tec and get a answer and move on... not any more... which to tell you the truth pisses me off,
 I for one expect that any authority that takes my money, dictates what is right and wrong too me, and punishes me when I am wrong cant be the first call to ask any simple innocence question. ::) ::)
now I have no respect for pgdb at all, they are just ripping us off big time, very frustrating  >:( >:( >:( 
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