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Certification
« on: January 06, 2013, 07:04:16 PM »
Do you need to produce a gas certificate when you disconnect and plug an appliance ?I plugged off two bayonet fittings leaving house with no appliances but connected to meter but still potentially live.(pipe capped off and leak tested) Owner wants one but doesn't want to pay for a cert to have gas reconnected by gas company as says I should have issued one when I did disconnection.

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Re: Certification
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 07:52:45 PM »
hi mini g, i don`t think so. I would have turned the gas off at the meter and taken handle off(left attatched to the pipe). In my opinion if you have pluged the pipes at the disconnection point and tested then turned the valve off then there would be no point of a cert. If he wants a cert and if the powers that be say he should have one then give him a cert and an account, if he does not pay it take him to the dissputes tribunal and let them sort it out. Don`t get yourself into trouble with the board over a $25 cert,cheers

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Re: Certification
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 08:49:54 PM »
He doesn't need a gas certificate when the gas is reconnected.  All he needs is a letter from a gasfitter saying that the property is sound.  We get this all the time, someone who is inexperienced at the gas company says they need a cert for the property.  This is only if the property is new, if it is an existing property where the gas has been off for some time then the gas retailer may require some proof that the carcass is sound before they will authorise the gas to be turned on.  Part of the procedures for reconnection involve a test of the carcass anyway, so if it is not sound then it won't be turned on by the COC Level 2 trained gasfitter.

Strictly speaking I think you are meant to issue a gas certificate for removals etc - but then I am not aware of any gasfitters that do it.  Likewise it will depend on if you quoted the job or it is time and materials as to whether the owner should pay for one.   If you quoted it then possibly he could validly argue that you should have included the cost of certification if legally required - that would be your job to know not his and that would be why he employed a certifying gasfitter.  If it is time and materials then he should pay for a certificate at the rate you would charge which I hope would be well in excess of $25 given the additional administration to file etc. 

I would listen to Robbo, it isn't worth a shit fight with the Board over $25 - you could always ring them to check what the expectation to be 100% sure.  However I think a call to the gas retailer is in order to clarify what they have said as well.
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Re: Certification
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 10:00:16 PM »
Thanks for replays, owner got his info from a building compliance out fit. Original job was to remove bayonet points for an alteration, gas was already off and house empty.I just capped pipe under floor and turned gas on to leak test as no other appliances connected then turned gas back off. New tennants want gas on and gas company wants cert done on line before connection.All normal but owner thinks I should cover this from cert that was required on plug off.I explained that a cert isn't required for plugging off as long as it is done by a licensed gas fitter and to line test for reconnection with a gas cert will cost a cert fee plus labour. (tight landlord) just wanted to check if original plug off required cert as nothing installed, pipe or appliance.

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Re: Certification
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 09:28:20 PM »
Asked PGDB for their thoughts and they came back with no cert needed for a plug off even if it is connected to a meter. If it is disconnected from the meter then it isn't even gas work, its just a pipe.

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Re: Certification
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 10:42:43 PM »
Awesome!!  Thanks for letting us know.

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Re: Certification
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2013, 08:03:03 AM »
hi guys/minig/Jax, thats what i would have expected, well done for checking it out, just shows what a simple phone call can do,cheers


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