So what happens if you decline the terms and conditions to join their register?

I am from tomorrow looking for a new career, there is just too much crap for me.....which will be all the better for those setting up this monopoly for themselves......well they can have it.

Pretending to be there for the public safety while ignoring the public's real actual safety, just to off load all the responsibility and accountability and cost on to us, well f**** it.

my back and knees are gone and now soon my sanity if this crap continues. This job is not worth it.

I have spent too long trying to deal with this bullshit and I found out Monday that my Dad has cancer, which puts things in perspective in regards to what you do with your time in this mortal coil.

I am going to find a much more rewarding job, and devote my time to my wife and sons.

Hey like wise, All the best to you and your Whanau Badger.

sorry to hear your news Badger, i wont refer to your father as anything other than your father as like me you only have one, which makes them special .
i wish him well..
In regards to your thoughts on staying on in the trade, it would be a shame to lose anyone let alone somebody like yourself.
your and my way of thought process must be vary similar as i feel likewise, i dont do that much gas work these days but still have thoughts that its all just to hard, nothing like when i served my time.

Sorry to hear about your dad, been through that with mine,  and still going through it with my little boy. I hope he comes through as well as they are.

Its appalling that we have to fight so hard for a fair go and have our lives turned upside down by these people, life can be hard enough as it is. Sorry to hear your news Gordy mate, and I am sorry for bringing it up guys, its just sometimes things get on top of you. But yes I have had it with these clowns, not going to stop fighting them just going to attempt do it from another career that's all.

As I see it in their press release's if you stick to the regs and don't do extensions to existing installations, you don't need the high risk register...I am waiting confirmation on this.

There are three documents:
COC (Certificate of Compliance)
GSC (Gas Safety Certificate)
and a combined certificate (COC&GSC)

You can make up your own using the guidelines outlined on the ESS website, OR use the templates on the ESS website, OR use the Master Plumber one's OR use the one from the Federation.

Basically all the variances have to have standard information on them as outlined by ESS.  They cost you time to do, but you don't have to pay for them.  You need to keep a copy for yourself, and give your customer a copy. 

Basically:
Design and Installation - must be done to the manufacturer's instructions, and meet the gas code.  Now there is a formal recognition of the roles of certified designs and manufacturer's instructions.  This clarifies accountabiluty of everyone involved in the safety of completed work.  Most work will be done in accordance with AS/NZS5601.  If the install is subject to a certified design, the DESIGNER
must certify the design is compliant and safe.

The gasfitter installs, tests and connects in good faith, to rely on the certifed design, UNLESS THE GASFITTER DOES NOT ACCEPT OR HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE DESIGN WILL ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE AND SAFETY.

The purpose of this is that that someone other than the installing gasfitter may take responsibility and liability that the design is compliance and will achieve safe outcomes.

So a certified design can be a separate document, OR the design can be done by the certifier and be incorproated into the certification  - COC - see space for design sketch.

So you go and quote an Infinity, you draw up a diagram of where it is to go, you draw the pipework, you show the sizes of said pipework, the measurements from windows etc all the things that need to comply with the manufactuer's instructions and 5601 (and you must identify the location of the instrullation, identify the standds if any e.g. 5601, to which iw will comply and sign and date it). 

You then install the Infinity.

The COC is to ceritfy the compliance of the work PRIOR to connection.  Gasfitting work is not considered complete UNTIL the COC is completed.  If two or more gasfitters are involved, then more than one COC may be done.  The COC is issued by the person who did the work OR Supervised the work.  (same as now they have to be a certifier).

The GSC is required to be issued AFTER COMMISSIONING and connection of any installation and verifies that the completed installation as connected is SAFE.

If the same person does the work up to and including installation they would fill out a combined COC and GSC. 

Consumers must be issued the COC and GSC (and likewise anyone who contracts the work must get a copy).  if they are not radily available, then the occupier or owner of the premises is to be given one.
Certs can be emailed or stored electronically, or paperbased if that suits.

you have up to 20 working days from connection to issue certificates.

if requested a copy fo the COC must be sent within 10 working days and the GSC within 7 working days to organisations and individuals listed int he regulations (this will be the PGDB, ESS etc)

I hope this helps clarify.

When was a coc ever required , seems to me this is adding to the confusion , a gas safety certificate was all that was required and in my mind should still be the only certificate required , the certifying gasfitter has ultimate resposibility so why add this coc confusion,
Reading through all the online guides would it be too hard to separate the gas from the electrical so they are specific to one or the other , in one guide it refers to still filing certificates to the the PGDB , this looks to me to be a bigger #$%&^% than Dunkirk 

How are you reading it, we have to issue a COC or GSC for a service or repair?

hi guys, (we have to issue a COC or GSC for a service or repair)a certificate of compliance surely is a completed gas cert issued by the installer/certifyer, thats how i read it,cheers