So we are all agreed then, the only person this saves cost to, (with a total hand washing/shirking of responsibility), is the people who thought this up, with more cost and ultimate/total accountability on us...... and with ultimately more cost to the customer.

It is hard enough to get people to service their appliances now, in my area a "service" is what I would call a breakdown...because they only ring to get it going again, not to clean it and make sure its safe.

Just a question....isn't "the powers that be" meant to be responsible/accountable with a reasonable cost to run this situation.....because I was under the impression that was why they were there.....

Have they told the public about this cost and THAT WE HAVE TO ADD THIS COST.....or are they waiting for us to inform people when we go to their home........I don't know about you but I am fed up of the "how much it costs to be a tradesman" talk to customers to justify our bills.....everyone thinks I am loaded.....and when you are on the bones of your arse its quite frustrating. We have the compliance costs of a doctor with the wages of a mechanic. What costs do the guys who work on our cars have? A WOF is only good for the day it is written, people die in cars daily.

To explain our costs, perhaps Plumbing World can do a national advert telling every one how cheap their guys can do it......perhaps we could ask Peter Jackson to use his influence to get this ad up and running.......

Man I am so over this.......Corruption, incompetence and now this crap.....

Please can someone let me know why we need this again. Things are getting worse not better, every day.

Says it all Robbo mate....a WOF lasts as long as the day it is written......imagine a guy gets his breaks done......don't get them looked at for 6 years and then the breaks fail......is it the mechanics fault??? would they f**** that guys life over?

I was held accountable for a job that was 6 years old (as far as I know not maintained), that was proven to be altered (not by me) and then the Board withheld photos and evidence and that proved what I had said for the previous 2 years since the explosion (and much much more)........you are dreaming if you think this system will not bite you firmly in the arse......signing everything off will open you up to even more accountability......much more.....

Apparently I am meant to get over this, dust myself off and get on with my life......I got no money, my family live in a run down home and my business re-launch is struggling....perhaps the customers are believing all the lies that the Board sent to them....that prejudiced all the sites that they laid charges at, with a letter that said I was capable of illegality.




So it appears that, from what I have seen, the public are as ill informed as us.....if not totally ignorant of it.

Think on this....If they did a TV campaign and told everyone all at once about all this hidden cost and with no public register held by the powers that be.....well it is reasonable to think a bit of a public backlash could be possible, if not inevitable.

But if they break it to the public piece meal, one by one, by us telling them and dealing with the public's backlash customer by customer.......it will pass into "just how it is"...without so much as a murmur.

Not forgetting the gasfitter that won't/can't tell them about all this....because they either don't know or don't want the customer to know (so he can undercut the guy who is trying to do the right thing and follow the new protocol).

Who's up for telling the public about it all, all at once....I got $500 toward a $3000 national advert.....

If we play on their pitch, with their ref and their rule book (which only applies to us apparently).....what do you think will happen what has happened?

Lets take a leaf out of Plumbing Worlds book and go national and as public as poss......it is an election year coming up......

Now the IANZ has these concerns about Canterbury County Council..... Perhaps we could get IANZ to have a look at the new gas "safety" system......link for article below, comments and advise in red if they were to take the latest gas cert system direction.....to fix their wood fire consents problem......why is it of concern if a council behaves this way......but we are being told to behave this way.......

 This is a bit of humour, it is not how I think it should be.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8926835/How-did-CCC-consents-go-so-wrong


Reviews of CCC consents unit 2009-2013


IANZ June 2013
◦ Still concerns about solid fuel heater consent process. What's the difference in safety concerns between wood and gas, surely gas is more volatile?

◦No evidence of compliance with public information requirements. Its ok we can print our own off, actually anyone can, and keep it in their house.

◦No evidence of compliance with acceptance, vetting and lodgement of applications. You wanna see the gas system, we are to keep it all under the mattress for 7 years

◦Continuing doubts that consents granted comply with Building Act/Code. We'll find out after an incident

◦Not enough resources to process and issue consents in statutory timeframes. Just take illegally 2 million dollars and retrospectively make it legal later

◦No evidence of addressing old consents. lol

◦Unclear whether steps taken to ensure record of past inspections available on site. Just don't inspect them.... s'easy

◦Unclear whether proposed system for recording inspections outcomes electronically been actioned. Just stop using the electronic cert system, cos you have f****ed it up

◦No evidence concerns over provision of Code of Compliance certificates addressed. What evidence? just get someone elses details off the Board website use all their information and print off all the forms, with a water mark to make it look kosher

◦New system of chasing up old consents not shown to be working. Just don't have one

◦No competency assessments provided for verification. get a supplier to do a course on gutters and get free advertising....CPD

◦Staff still working outside of assessed competence. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, OH YES......






I find this quite confusing these are reasons of concern for a council's behaviour.....but we are being forced to do this.....is it just me or is this crazy?

Now don't forget these consents should be installed by Tradesman, usually plumbers or LBP......

So how do we get lumbered with this latest load of crap......IF THESE ARE CONCERNS FOR A WOOD BURNER.....WHY DOESN'T IT APPLY TO GAS....BLOODY GAS FOR CHRISTS SAKE.

Mate, there's no problem....until there is a problem.....

Nothing gets found out until someone complains or gets hurt....and if your in the clique you'll be fine, if you ain't.... your railroaded

Where's the protection for the public in all this?

Remember guys...ignorance of a law..... is no protection from the law.

I bet all the mates and cronies of the people bringing all this in know all about it.......hmmm funny that.

Hi All,

A word of further caution among your discussion.

Please be VERY WARY of advice from ESS; they are NOT the judge, jury and executioners in all this mess.  Their role in this change is ONLY to maintain the new High Risk database in addition to their pre-1 July duties.  They have no legal obligation to provide correct or binding information other than these roles.

Getting something contradictory to the Regulations from ESS, even in writing, will not protect you in the event of the Board pursuing prosecution.

If you have questions about the new Regulatory requirements, I would strongly advise you to contact the Board.  They have generally been quite helpful to me in regards to the changes.

Thanks,