well thanks integrated, clear as mud now...................................
can some1 now explain in simple terms?
maybe i can ring the board and get one of the lawyers employed to explain it all to me..
the keep it simple stupid philosophy has really taken off.
why on this earth did all this change from what was the previous procedure, surely not because some1 charged for the time, effort and responsibility of filing a cert

I think if you rang the Board, they would claim that they now have no responsibility for COC therefore couldn't possibly give any advise. ie same as before.

Now that we have a standard example that I acceptable to the powers that be, could someone please explain why we should pay Certs on Line for the privilege. I really don't get it.

I think we should start awarding COC awards.....

Very good jaxcat.

 so what if I don't write up a coc? who will know... the customer wont, the gas supplier wont, pgdb? ess? nope.

I have people who CALL themselves gas fitters in my area that will be laughing all the way to the bank with this. NOT GOOD.

there is no protection for the public AT ALL.

you would have read of my "picture this" else where here....

so here is another one....

new house, builder rings me up, install x y and z appliance's, write up a coc and  the builder gives it to the TA. ...end of storey.
am I a gas fitter? do I have a current licence ? have I complied with the  requirement? ... the TA doesn't care, they are not paid to check that I am in fact who I claim !! ....
flip flop gas fitting then disappears !
and tomorrow I am flop flip gas fitting 2013  and start my next job for my next victim.
this is sooo wrong. yet again some one is not using their brain!

I have one concern that you have said, if I go to a job, plan to install a say infinity ( as most of us do every other day) .
go back to the office, draw a pipe sizing plan, location etc on the quote, then get the job, does that make me the designer??
 

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So their commitment to us is......The Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment does not accept any responsibility or liability for any loss, including any costs and expenses, you incur in connection with your use of these services.


After the crap I been put through thinking of putting this on my invoices.....

I do not accept any responsibility or liability for any loss, including any costs and expenses, you incur in connection with your use of my services.

Please explain the difference to me.....we get ALL the cost and responsibility.....but what do they get.....another slanted pitch...

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what safeties do they have on this......before an incident!!!

This will not end well.....FFS..... and it is us who need up-skilling....

Bowtieboy - yes I believe so  - if you plan it and draw it up with pipe sizing etc - then you are the designer.

I agree this system gives NO protection to the public, every man and his dog and download the "authentication" mark and put in on their own COC and look legit - or indeed not do a certificate at all and who will know.  And when it goes pear shaped - where is the paper trail.

I know I wrote to the Insurance Council two years ago when this was first mooted because I thought they would object - but silence.  This whole scheme was dreamed up by suits in DBH - with NO thought and very very little imput by tradespeople.

It was meant to make things simplier. 

The joke is, unfortunately on us from 1 July, but also for the wider NZ public.