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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2012, 08:05:19 PM »
yes, one of them could post their thoughts here! :)
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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2012, 09:03:41 PM »
hi guys, ( but according to pgdb, meter clearances are NOT gas fitting in the context of nzs5261) if it is not `gasfitting` then what is it, i would take the information from the gas supplier as `an acceptable solution` which i am sure that they would back in a dispute,cheers

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2012, 09:41:10 PM »
but according to pgdb, meter clearances are NOT gas fitting in the context of nzs5261)


would this merely be the case in order to satisfy larger corporate industry or infrastructure providers so they can continue work regardless of qualifications or lack there of?

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2012, 08:19:52 AM »
hi guys/Bowtieboy,you say:(i power flued water heater can be mounted 300 mm to the side of a window)
 That is only if the unit is 200m/j or less otherwise it is 1500mm.  Rheem have on special at Micos a 27ltr unit at the moment  that is 205mj per hr, don`t get caught out and fit them to close.  Most of the places that i fit w/heates to do not have enough space between windows to use them,cheers
over 200mj fan assisted is 500 mm horizontally from openings  ;)

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2012, 12:22:55 PM »
hi guys/Bowtieboy,where did you get that info, (5261 page 101,table 16/j, says over 200mj is 1500mm,cheers

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2012, 01:02:13 PM »
Robbo
this was amended in may '05' to 500mm

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2012, 08:11:23 PM »
hi guys, o2b007, can you show/point me to the documentation,cheers

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2012, 08:38:39 PM »
hi guys, found the amendment, i had it all the time on the computer but had`nt taken much notice of the updates,cheers

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2012, 07:10:02 PM »
i note that there has been over 2000 views of this topic since i posted it.....yet to date not one word from either pgdb or energy safety on the matter.
this is not good enough. if a audit happens and you are directed to change some thing because of your  interpretation, why doesn't pgdb tell all about the right/ or their interpretation of that part of the code....
would all of you want to know if your doing something wrong ?????? ???

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2012, 08:06:22 PM »
just remember their quote,it's not cost effective to provide any information or advise! >:(

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2013, 07:43:34 AM »
A very big thumps up to rinnai's John Swarbrick for sorting the 3m clearance rule! common sense DOES prevail ! 
good on you John :D

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2013, 04:20:51 PM »
hear hear!!


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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2013, 08:53:06 PM »
Good to read that Rinnai could get some clarification on this 3m distance.
I'll never understand why the gas regs can't be written in plain English instead of some vague lawyers speak where everyone could come to a different conclusion on what something means.
Does this mean that anyone who has failed an audit on this matter will be reimbursed for time and costs?
On a similar note can anyone tell me what type of jobs will have to be registered on the high risk data base cause the more i read it the more i'm confused.

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2013, 09:32:02 AM »
Foggy mate, they want you to make mistakes, or they can't call us incompetent and insist on CPD and disciplinary fee's(some of which are illegal!).....I asked at a "standards" meeting why it wasn't written in plain English, the guy taking the meeting told me that they did just wasn't anyone off the street to be able to read it!

This was just after I asked why in the UK we are banned from running gas pipe in a wall, it is meant to be sleeved and sealed both ends, if it just passes through a wall.....his reply and I kid you not was...........

The difference between NZ and the UK is that you have cavity walls in Britain and here they are classed as a wall cavity..... :(

A guy who co-authored the NZ 5261 is an investigator, this same cunt, said that the system wouldn't fail just because of me and that before I dob anyone in I should make sure my own house is in order.....this was said at an interview for an explosion. when I tried to tell him about my old boss....who I found out later had his ticket granted after one oral exam....by the same investigator.


Here's one for you, how come you can have a mechanical inlet to a building 1000mm above a power flue, the table 16 specifically mentions a spa blower(which is actually a sucker, not blower, from out side to inside), a powerful vacuum fan sucking outside atmosphere into a (in most cases) one of the smallest rooms in a home, by many cubic meters per minute, a room which when in use will be full of steam coming from the bath that the occupier is actually sat in, the blower only operating when they are sat in it, literally placing the outside atmosphere literally under his/her nose.........but a passive "non" sucking open window has to be 1500mm above a powered flue.......there is no consistency or logic in this.....but I got called incompetent by Bickers in my local paper after answering and blowing away 42 charges out of 44 in a very biased hearing, the last charge being for a clearance to a window............they are full of shit mate and want you to fail if it suits their agenda. Been there got the tee shirt.

If it was written in plain English and no one made mistakes they would become redundant, all done at a risk to the public.....yeah nice up standing people, real leaders.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: clearances from a external instantaneous water heater
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2013, 09:37:48 AM »
oops, sorry guys, if my spell check don't catch it, I am fecked.


the guy taking the meeting told me that they did just wasn't anyone off the street to be able to read it!



that's meant to be "they didn't want just anyone off the street"....you see, I am dyslexic, so I feel your pain in trying to read this bullshit wording in the regs, I have met a lot of people who are, in the trades.


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