Hahaha that's how I f****ing spell.....cheers Robbo, I can read that better than normal writing lol,

Might ask the Board to translate a copy of the regs into that for me...made my Saturday mate, cheers buddy

That's crystal mate, haha...can I get an app that does that for me automatically....

The thing is.... like all languages, if you don't speak it fluently you can't truly understand it or any meaning contained therein.....we all can, with a slight grasp of " legalise" which is based in English.... well we can read it all, but sometimes the meaning/intention is misunderstood......

I find it ironic that our regs are written by lawyers in legalise.....for tradesman to decipher and reference......who, if they misread/misinterpret it.... end up in court at the mercy of.....you guessed it.....lawyers!

And the Board won't give you an opinion or translation.....until you make a mistake, then you can't stop them telling you what its all about, feck they'll even bend the interpretation to suit themselves......

Set up to fail....and we pay for it too.

Remember the bollox about having to put markers through your copy of regs for the bi-annual audits....to prove you had read it!, how about a f****ing index, set up alphabetically.....so if you want to know about vents....look under V....FFS its a reference book.....

IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH, WITH PLAIN CAN/CAN NOT DO INSTRUCTIONS, if you need a translation for a reference book.....well its been badly written.

How many tradies do you know who speak legalise.....we are practical people, who need practical instructions....its as easy as that.

Its a reference book, not the f****ing Da Vinchy Code .....If your real intention is to protect the public's health and safety.....you would write it plain and simple, but....

If your intention is to protect your little empire, then you would place minefields all around you.....

I KNOW that the Board protect some and then screw over others....ignoring bad, real bad "gasfitters", then screwing over very good gasfitters (not talking about me either), I know this.

Where is that going to lead?

It will make the incompetent ones, who have the connections, more brazen, and then if they take out their competition (who if they could out do them by fair business and quality of work, they would be no competition in the first place)....where will it lead?

Face it guys our careers and sources of income is being/has been hijacked by corrupt, bureaucratic leeches, who are willing to put the public in jeopardy to further their agenda , fact.

It is ironic that those at the PGDB who have been proven to be incompetent don't have to do any CPD......

Ironic that the ones most in need of CPD......tell everyone else they need CPD. Contradictory Professional Development, .

My measurement was 540mm.....the rinnai document allowed for 500mm and the british Standard allowed for 300mm.......this is the only thing they had on me........Bickers, who saw all the withheld evidence and bullshit that went on.....and runs a course called "the role of the professional witness"...... went public in a press release with.....



Board chairman Alan Bickers said in a statement last night the board was concerned by Mr Gee's apparent lack of knowledge and appreciation of the applicable regulatory provisions for gasfitting.

"While the board understands that the disciplinary process can be stressful for parties, Mr Gee's evidence at the hearing raised serious concerns about his understanding of some fundamental aspects of the gasfitting trade."

What a sanctimonious twat....

Mate I didn't let them, the Board's steamroller of a system is totally out of your control and the system is corrupt.....I am amazed we did so well, not because of any fault in my work (I think through out this bullshit my work has been shown to be very good), but because how uneven the process is, hats off to my good mate Wal....big time.

Out of the 44 charges this one, that's ONE, was the one I thought I had the ability to answer the best, because I knew it was safe and the customer said it was safe and I had documents.....so didn't put as much effort/research into it, and then with then the only other charge found to be "of substance" was for signing this job off. The only two out of forty f****ing four charges!!!! and Bickers says I am not good at my job!!!

I didn't bring up the British Standard at the hearing because I have been shot down many many times, too many times, by people for beginning a sentence with "in the UK...", especially by those in positions of power....I had even been threatened for saying just that. And given the only certifying gasfitter present was British, with a long history in his family of being in the trade in the UK, thought that what I had said was enough, I drew diagrams, made statements.....but they don't tell you until weeks later what their "findings" are. Look up Graham Hardie's "info brief", issued by the Board, when he joined the Board....ask your self should he have known about this british standard.....


I didn't let them mate.....when I found out, months later, I paid $5000.00 to take it to high court to appeal (you can't tell them either way in their own kangaroo court).....by now we had already lost a lot and could ill afford that 5 grand, but did it on principle. I WAS mortgage free, now I have a 50% mortgage...all for something I spent 6 years trying to warn about before it happened.

The Board were allowed to adduce (add evidence after my hearing) that they should be given more weight to their opinion as they were made up of learned professionals and were "THE" Board.....this was allowed....

I tried to adduce the British Standard, but they stuck to the rules on that one....you are not allowed to adduce for the appeal (unless you are the Board apparently). I even had a letter from the Dept of Building and Housing, written by someone that appears inside the cover of NZ5261 as a co-author of NZ5261....saying I could use a alternative standard if it was relevant.....this British Standard specifically referred to a power flue and an opening window directly above that powered flue, you can't get more relevant. But I wasn't allowed to adduce either.

So I got wrapped up in legal loop holes and legalise by lawyers, and totally let down by a fellow British Gasfitter and fellow Master Plumber.

This is one of my main bones of contention....I lost on a legal ruling NOT SAFETY OR PERFORMANCE OR ANY PRACTICAL PERFORMANCE BASED "IN REALITY" , BUT ON THE LEGAL "OPINION" of a lawyer, being paid a lot of money by the Board to win....so the laws of physic's are different in NZ  from the UK.....I know the water goes down the plug whole a different way........but that is BECAUSE of the laws of physics, not contrary to them. Hot air/fumes rise any where on this planet....unless your on the moon.

So the expert professional Board (with the only certifying gasfitter being British) didn't know about the British Standard (is that my short coming or the Board's?), and I wasn't allowed to adduce anything, even though the Judge had read all that I was trying to adduce!!!!!!!!, basically we got shut down....and it cost me $5000.00, would have been 4 to 5 times that if I had used a lawyer....but Wal came to my aid and helped me, as he did at the kangaroo court......HE DID THIS FOR NOTHING. If it wasn't for Wal.....well lets just say, my lawyer who cost 1000's and 1000's of dollars told me to plead guilty to everything!!!!! but I got a 95% innocence result.


Of note the lawyer for the Board tried to say we couldn't even appeal, there is heaps more but I am keeping that stuff to my self until the inquiry.



Look at the fiasco with the classifications for gas work now.......written by lawyers in lawyers speak.....for you to decipher and then explain to a lawyer at a hearing with your way of life and reputation on the line.....good luck with that......

Telling you now guys...... get up off your comfy seats now and do something....or they will pick you off one by one.....until only the people who are spewing this bullshit are left.....where you will either work for them or do something else, or try to work under the radar.....

Tell me....Why has a really good career, a great career for practical/physical/switched on people who don't want to work in an office, loving the freedom of "the van".........why has it got so f****ing complicated and bloody expensive?? I know why..... I have met them.......and they are corrupt and open to cronyism......

I know you read this site......where's my fancy lawyers letter threatening me with a slander suit......thing is it ain't slander if it is based in truth.....pack of dodgy bastards.....

Does anyone know when the amendment's to nzs5601 will be legal to apply? or do we just keep putting lpg regulators 3m away from instantaneous power flued water heaters. ?