Well those of you that tuned into Parliament would have heard the woeful news that the Government has voted AGAINST the the disallowance motions put by the Regulation Review Committee.  Their reasoning as explained by Minister Williamson is that he has an output agreement in place which will take care of the issue of upskilling (CPD) and that the Board is making great improvements (move over while I be sick!)

Never before have I been so ashamed to be a National Voter, nor a member of the Master Plumbers who have obviously lobbied the Minister hard and fast.  The Regulation Review committee which voted unanimously (including the two National members) to put the motion made some good comments in the debate.  A gold star to Chris Hipkins who at least attempted to valiantly stick up for democracy and made the point that the RRC did give the Master Plumbers an opportunity to put a submission and they did not.  Back door efforts are more there style today.

I have for the most part tried to defend Master Plumbers as I believe the heart of the organisation has good intentions and that it does hold to high standards in the industry -however tonight I am for the first time disillusioned.  I believe in my heart of hearts that the decision is about dollars not knowledge and that it is about patch protection and not the integrity of the industry.

I feel like I need a 12 step programme - I am Jaxcat and I have been a National voter and a member of the Master Plumbers. 


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If you message your address I am sure it can be organised!!

hi newguy/ guys,what part of the country are you in? i`ve got some i am in christchurch,cheers

Apologies to the thread mine - tried to find something relevant rather than start anew...



Just wondering/thinking that there must be a legal requirement/duty for Master Plumbers to ask employees of member businesses if they want to be employee members at no cost prior to adding employees to a register - see they are going to spam employers for employee lists to bolster member numbers...


Quote:


Employee Membership
Bolster numbers for submissions
Concur with board to implement as they see fit
Need a list to employers to make sure employees are on list         (electronically)
Kept updated on annual renewal (same time as fees)




so looks like what they expect to happen is they send this email out asking for employee details - employer recieves email, adds employee details, sends back to MP and hello MP membership increases with many perhaps even most employee members not even knowing it!!

I'll put my dog up for membership!!

Surely there must be some privacy issues with a boss releasing an employees name to a membership organisation?

If my boss put my name forward I'd be telling him where to get off.

The people who believe the numbers from Master Plumbers must be thick.

Employees private details should come under the privacy act 1993....

I gather that the fiasco over personal details that the PGDB wanted to include in the public register has not been forgotten.

hi guys, (membership is being extended to and for anyone and everyone)
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i wonder if this is a move so `employers` can ask/bribe/coerce their workers to be members ,that way they would get numbers to their cause,cheers 

Yeah - I think it is an insane strategy, people of my age and younger <40yrs really cant be bothered with all the corporate allegiance crap - if they actually bothered to take up issues the way in which the fed has even as recent as maybe 3-5yr ago then  they may have saved themselves

I think it says everything when they have to rely on others rather than the actual "Master Plumbers" to maintain viability

It is supposed to be "Master Plumbers association" not "corporate plumbing industry, legislator & suppliers association"

That latest journal was a joke - take out all the advertising and corporate propaganda and what was left?  something to light my fire with I suppose - its not even good enough to wipe my arse with lol!!