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Master Plumbers ....value for money?

Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD
1 (5.9%)
Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD AND run the biggest CPD provider.
1 (5.9%)
Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD AND run the biggest CPD provider, and are way over represented on the PGDB. All  done against the best practice recommendations of the NZ Law Commision.
1 (5.9%)
Yes...... I love my sticker, looks nice
2 (11.8%)
HHMMMM not sure..... $1250.00 is worth paying for on top of all the shit they force on us and profit from.
12 (70.6%)

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 08:39:13 AM »
hi guys/Badger, that is not what is good for our trades, is there anyway that the federation could help? what are the circumstances,i`m sure that we all wish him some luck in getting it sorted,cheers

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 05:34:16 PM »
I haven't talked to him personally yet and don't feel comfortable divulging anything before I do talk to him, but these power tripping dirty bastards should realise that they do have a huge effect on people AND their families (they know but don't care).

You will notice that none have been on here offering their side of the story......they can't in a public forum (especially with an opportunity for anyone to answer their bullshit excuses, that is why the Plumber's Journal and the Info brief works so well for them, at a debate they would be as useless as tits on a bull)..........because their only way works behind closed doors in the shadows with stand over tacktics....well that used to work because you could network and screw people over with the industry and public at large would not find out..... and the poor sod trying to have his say couldn't be heard......welcome to the internet you dodgy feckers.........

Those still backing these dicks should realise that with out you they have no power and I have attached a photo that I really like............WHEN AND I MEAN WHEN, people walk away they will fall and because they fecked so many over on their way up....well the way down won't be too nice will it.........and judging by the deafening silence we won't have to wait for ever........karma is a b****....
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2013, 10:21:52 AM »
My mates name is Gary Jones, the one from the Auditor Generals report, the report that Kern Uren referred to as "just one man's opinion, every one is entitled to an opinion" said in front of a solicitor taking notes and witnesses.... about the NZ Auditor General!!!!!.Unbelievable arrogance. Same guy bullies office girls.......nice.

Even though the OAG report was in Gary's favour and 14 out of his 16 complaints were up held and found to disadvantage him, the other 2 complaints found to fall outside policy(still may be valid, but outside policy) he still is being screwed by the Board. Even though he should have got his licences, he still has not been given his licences.... even though he is very good at his job and some pretty clued up people think he should have, perhaps he was done over because he was in direct competition with a certain MP president who laid the complaint....now remember my old boss was given his full craftsman after just one oral exam... by the man who was later appointed to NOT investigate my old boss..... at the site of an explosion with a dodgy cert that nearly killed someone.......corrupt.....

Gary appeared in the Plumbers Journal which highlighted him to a certain Board Member amongst others, and shortly after his sons apprenticeship was dissolved, all this shit he has been through is mostly, if not all, because of influential people making complaints so as to f**** over their competition, you know who you are, Gary asked me not to say, because he knows how vindictive they can be.

This man came to NZ to better his life and got royally shafted...........

I hope his wife all the best and a speedy recovery.........10 years of bullshit and stress......nice work the Board and your cronies.....we need a public enquire ASAP.......write to your local Member of Parliament if any that I have said is distasteful to you.....we need numbers, join the Feds.....do something because this is just wrong.......

I am just waiting to be set up again and shafted for being out spoken about these people, but I would rather live a week as a lion than a life time as a sheep..........

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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2013, 04:44:53 PM »
Robbo mate ......not unless they could build a time machine and go back in time and for the Board to do the right thing (which they still wouldn't).......The thing is mate all this bullshit has made his wife seriously ill....how can you fix that. I'm sorry too..... I exaggerated..... it was only a double not triple heart by-pass.

It has had huge effect on my family. My wife grinds her teeth in her sleep when she is stressed.....just after they sent her the child sexual abuse case notes to make their argument on probabilities for my case and we were looking at loosing our home (which we later had to sell).....my wife chewed all the inside of her cheek and woke up with a blood coming out of her mouth.......these people are lower than the shit off my shoe....

The ironic thing is....... it is our wives that are probably what stops us taking things further in a more physical and personal way......I know it is for me.

Just as a bit of gossip too.....

I heard through the grape vine that Peter Jackson (of Board fame with the Marty Feldman eyes, and one of the people who shafted poor Gary, has lost his position on the "Plumbing Suppliers Board"....hope you have a nice time on your way down ya shithouse.....so now all his vulture mates can stop backing him, because it appears he is loosing his credability, and start shafting him.....they have no loyalty or moral compass.

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2013, 12:39:18 PM »
The guy circled on the left back row appears to be my ex-boss, John Darnley, stood next to him appears to be Mr Peter Jackson.....circled far left second row back, Mr Tony Hammond, front row Mr Stephen Parker and stood in front of who appears to be Peter Jackson is Anthony Salisbury.

This photo was taken in the year 2006, the same year I tried to complain about my ex boss Darnley by a letter from Nick Smith MP.......6 years later an explosion nearly kills someone and they appoint Mr Hammond to investigate (who also gave my boss his full craftsman status after just one oral exam some 10 years earlier). I tried to complain about the impartiality issues and was shot down by a panel consisting of Peter Jackson and another Master Plumber, Mark Whitehead.

Then they appointed Mr Parker to chair my disciplinary hearing.......a picture speaks a million words so they say......

I was found not guilty of 95% and only got done for one thing which is OK as per a British Standard......they basically said that the non mandatory part two......is mandatory....then publically said it was me that didn't know the fundamentals of my trade and now have to do a non existant course to up skill......and people wonder why I nut off and call them shithouses....

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2013, 12:42:26 PM »
Can you see any others on there you might know...or an original copy would be handy as the photo seems to have disappeared from the internet.

I don't believe my treatment is fair or ethical.......what would you do?

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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2013, 12:46:26 PM »
I have another 4 or 5 photos just like this with a similar crew of faces, taken each year.

Darnley resigned from NZIGE the month following the explosion.

Do you think these people have any credability?

They have shafted so so many people, wrong just plain wrong.

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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2013, 02:26:28 PM »
and guess who was the chair of Darnleys hearing....Mr Mark Whitehead.

no one  was questioned about the site of an explosion, except me.....

Darnley was the last person to work there, installed a pizza oven......all carbon copies show test results empty....but and this is where it goes a bit odd.....the Board were asked 9 days after the explosion for all copies for the site of the exploding chip shop and told the owner that the top pink copy wasn't ever registered at the Board....but there is an electrical copy on their website....hhhmmmm....

So even by their own admission the Board were aware of the non registration of the cert.....but didn't think that Darnley should be questioned about it......and I had spent the previous 6 years trying to warn about Darnley.....see photo below..........what scale of corruption do you think may apply? I think the public sector one sounds about right. See below....what type of socitey are we building? The last line right at the bottom says it all......


Corruption can occur on many different scales. There is corruption that occurs as small favours between a small number of people (petty corruption), while there is the corruption that affects the government on a large scale (grand corruption), and corruption that is so prevalent that it is part of the every day structure of society (systemic corruption).

Petty
"Petty" corruption occurs at a smaller scale and occurs within established social frameworks and governing norms. Examples include the exchange of small improper gifts or use of personal connections to obtain favours. This form of corruption is particularly common in developing countries and where public servants are significantly underpaid.

Grand
Main article: Political corruption
"Grand" corruption is defined as corruption occurring at the highest levels of government in a way that requires significant subversion of the political, legal and economic systems. Such corruption is commonly found in countries with authoritarian or dictatorial governments and in those without adequate policing of corruption by anti-corruption agencies.

The government system in many countries is divided into the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary branches in an attempt to provide independent services that are less prone to corruption due to their independence.

Systemic
Main article: Systemic corruption
Systemic corruption (or endemic corruption[2]) is corruption which is primarily due to the weaknesses of an organisation or process. It can be contrasted with individual officials or agents who act corruptly within the system.

Factors which encourage systemic corruption include conflicting incentives, discretionary powers; monopolistic powers; lack of transparency; low pay; and a culture of impunity.[3] Specific acts of corruption include "bribery, extortion, and embezzlement" in a system where "corruption becomes the rule rather than the exception."[4] Scholars distinguish between centralized and decentralized systemic corruption, depending on which level of state or government corruption takes place; in countries such as the Post-Soviet states both types occur.[5]

Different Sectors
Corruption can occur in many different economic sectors, whether it be public or private industry or even NGOs.

Government/Public Sector
Public sector corruption is one of the more dangerous forms of corruption as corruption of the governing body can lead to widespread effects. Recent research by the World Bank suggests that who makes policy decisions (elected officials or bureaucrats) can be critical in determining the level of corruption because of the incentives different policy-makers face

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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2013, 06:12:48 AM »
I don't think we live in a 3rd world country or a dictatorship....how long are we going to let these people get away with it....

They have done this to lots of people not just me......are you going to try to run the gauntlet of not pissing these people off???? or perhaps you would like to join them and think they are doing a good job...I wouldn't advise this choice because WHEN we have a public enquire and all this comes out, you will be on the wrong side of right, these people are dinosaurs from a waining age.

Everyone knows who these people are, if we turn our backs on them they have nothing......think about it.


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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2013, 06:59:52 AM »
Does anyone out there have any suggestions about how we can help Badger get some justice.

I think he's right when he says it can happen to any one of us.

Why wait for it to happen lets go on the offensive.

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2013, 08:43:14 AM »
hey watchdog, getting change will  be a drawn out slow process to deal with this  bureaucratic ineptness. Maybe
if enough with the right credentials stand and refuse to be part of the bullshit and refuse to conform to the regime it would  have a effect.
or we just storm the board.. I just cant understand how we have a board that crucifies its members.... the honest guys trying to work the honest way .
Leadership and togetherness has to be a starter for change

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2013, 01:48:55 PM »
hi guys/craftsman, (I just cant understand how we have a board that crucifies its members.... )
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remember, we are not members they have made that clear, they are there for the benifit of the public, and of course to make a good living out of screwing us,cheers

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2013, 11:28:46 AM »
So a week and a half and no response....didn't expect one anyway.....the point I am raising is this....Wal had a letter from a lawyer quick smart for something quite trivial.....now I have said some real strong things on here and not even received a feckin post it.....you can't do me for anything because all that I have said is true....


Sent straight after the post.....come on lets have it in the open.Dear Mr Pederson and Master Plumber's

 

Please see below a post that I have placed on the Plumber's Forum. As I have asked for a reply within a week publically I thought it only fair to let you know asap. What you have done to my family is disgusting. If you think I am going to let this ride and take it on the chin you are so wrong. I will force this into the public arena one way or another; you do not intimidate me whatsoever. You are corrupt and turn a blind eye to a very biased and dodgy investigation into me, I WILL NOT stand for this.


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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2013, 11:55:46 AM »
Robbo mate if your a master plumber and remember the Board has a 50% representation on it of the positions available to the trades....then the Board does screw its own members in a Mater Plumber context.....and they will in the future and they have in the past.....not just me either.....watch your backs guys, no loyalty to their own code, despicable people playing dirty.....

Not only did the same crew persecute me via the Board, they attempted to do it to me via the master Plumber's disciplinary group too....until I left....telling me not to go public because of a privacy part of the Master Plumbing contract, telling me it even survived my resigning( the only thing they could show me, was something for my protection, not theirs)

They should have stepped down and listed their conflicts of interest, they didn't

People on my hearing and involved in my impartiality hearing, and part of my investigation, where I was totally done for f**** all.....

Mark Whitehead, Master Plumber
Peter Jackson, Master Plumber
John Debanardo, Master Plumber
John Simmiss, Master Plumber
Graham Hardie, Master Plumber
Allan Bickers IPENZ
And Tony Hammond investigator IPENZ and along with Stephen Parker chair of my hearing, manage a trust together and run lots of gas groups...John Darnley,my dodgy old boss... same gas groups and master plumbers. Much more no doubt but these are the ones that spring to mind.

These people lead a trumped up kangaroo court and very dodgy investigation in to me, ignoring some very serious evidence......best part is if, and its a huge if, these people stuck to their OWN master plumber rules and "ethic" code they would have to turn a blind eye...which is wrong aswell....

These people need not be feared if you see them out in the open, their intimidation only works if you let them do it behind closed doors.


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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2013, 12:04:30 PM »
And if all I said is true..........how do you all feel about living with the risk of these bullies coming after you if you, to quote one of the people who tried to make a threatening phone call, "piss some influential plumbers off"

If it suits them they will do it to anyone.....

I was talking about it with one of the biggest plumbers in my area, he said that I had probably got on the wrong side of someone and that that was a bad idea, I asked him if he ripped people off or did dodgy work, he rightfully replied, "no I do not"

My reply...........then why do you live in fear...


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