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Master Plumbers ....value for money?

Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD
1 (5.9%)
Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD AND run the biggest CPD provider.
1 (5.9%)
Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD AND run the biggest CPD provider, and are way over represented on the PGDB. All  done against the best practice recommendations of the NZ Law Commision.
1 (5.9%)
Yes...... I love my sticker, looks nice
2 (11.8%)
HHMMMM not sure..... $1250.00 is worth paying for on top of all the shit they force on us and profit from.
12 (70.6%)

Total Members Voted: 13

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An open letter to all Master Plumbers, widly circulated to all Associations that I have on my lap top






Please table at all Associations in preparedness for the up coming AGM for discussion. Please include all attachments with this email.

 

An open letter to all Master Plumber Members, I ask you to consider if this would be acceptable to you to have this happen to your family?

 

I believe that all members should know what support and understanding you could possibly be in for, as a member of this organisation. My name is Paul Gee, I am an ex president and vice president of the Nelson Association. I was a fully paid up member of about 8 years. I attended a leadership course as I was excited about this organisation and committed to making a contribution.   I have attached a copy of my history to give you a background to my situation. This will give you an overview of what happened.

 

I am very disappointed with certain member’s behaviour and ethics, and even more than that – sometimes completed bewildered by it.   I believe that some members are immoral bullies that put their own agenda and needs before others and act in a vindictive, even vicious, manner. They ignore the Societies own rules and act with total disregard for Master Plumber’s code of ethics.  These people operate within the safety of an old boy’s network that seems impenetrable and very defensive. These people have made it appear that it is the Society that I have complained about; this is not true, just certain members who don’t abide by their own rules.

 

They have claimed that now I have resigned, which I believe was the only solution to prevent further persecution, I can not complain about any Master Plumbers…..but they are unable to show me any meaningful Master Plumber rules or codes to back this.

 

I was very vocal at my associations meetings, airing my concerns about the work of just one person in our community. I was concerned about the standard of his work and the ethic that he used in installing gas in peoples homes.  To my mind it was just out and out dangerous. I did this years before an explosion nearly killed someone.

 

You may be familiar with my story and I apologise for going on and on, but I have lost so very much; that I want it to be clear to all what has happened. I ask you all to think of one thing……..what if this was your family?  How would you respond?

 

I will list my disappointments and I ask all members to consider whether this is acceptable. I would also ask all members where you see Master Plumbers heading in the future… if this sort of behaviour, attitude and direction continues, the membership is in decline along with morale and the industry is at an all time low. All at the hands of a few self servers who abuse the power afforded to them.

 

I was very vocal with my association and high ranking members at conference. I practically described word for word what could happen and later did happen, i.e. dodgy certs covering dodgy work resulting in an incident. I named John Darnley many times to these people. I did not point the finger at all the gasfitters in my area, as was implied when they audited all the gasfitters in my area, which appears to be the same M.O. as trying to make it appear that it was the whole Society that I had complained about. I reiterate, I have only complained about John Darnley and SOME members of Master Plumbers, not the Society as a whole. Question………why didn’t any one of these people come out and say this is what Paul has been warning about for 6 years?  I certainly made it clear to a lot of the high ranking Association members as well as serving members of the Master Plumbers Board what concerns I had. Why was I not offered any support…. instead of railroading me, please see my attached resignation letter for several unacceptable instances that my wife and I endured at the hands of these people.
 

I am constantly preached to by these people about the code of ethics of Master Plumbers….. by these very people that I have attempted to complain about. But I believe they have ignored their own rules below -
 

 

·           The Member acknowledges that observance of the Code of Conduct set out below is a fundamental condition of membership of the Society.

 

·          Members shall always act in accordance with good Industry practices, and in a manner that reflects well on the Society, its members, and the Industry.

 

·          Members shall not publicly criticise fellow members.

 

·          Purpose

The purpose of this Code of Practice is to promote good trade and business practices by Master Plumbers and good relationships between Master Plumbers and with their clients by encouraging the highest standards of courtesy and consideration.

 

·          Complaints and inquiries will be handled promptly, reasonably and with due courtesy to the complainant throughout the process.

 

·          Members will not criticise another's workmanship or pricing policies.

 

In light of these excerpts copied and pasted directly from the code of conduct and listed above, my highlights in red, do you believe the members mentioned in my attached history document and resignation letter has acted within these codes?   I believe they have not and I think that the question that needs to be asked….why do these people feel that they are above these codes of conduct and not bound by them… but feel free to pontificate to others?   I would ask the Society membership as a whole to consider pushing for a vote of confidence in these people.

 

3.       One board member, who over saw an impartiality hearing, where he voted that he was impartial (which is a total contradiction in terms) signed a letter that threatened yet another investigation into myself, please see attached complaint . This was after a very emotional email to the PGDB CEO, written after leaving my wife and kids crying at the airport for the umpteenth time in the 18 months that I have had to work away for. This email had such an effect on the Board CEO that he laughed it off at a meeting, where one of the people present was the Master Plumber Board Member mentioned earlier. The reason I snapped that day was that I found out that Stephen Parker, the presiding chair at my actual hearing hadn’t registered the full extent of his relationship with Tony Hammond, the so called “impartial” investigator. This was all done after the Master Plumber Board Member mentioned earlier, had presided over my complaints at an “impartiality” hearing and dismissed them, I specifically questioned the investigators impartiality……. so they appoint his colleague to over see my disciplinary hearing. The letter from the Master Plumber Board Member (wearing umpeteen different hats at any one time)  is full of half truths and tries to keep me quiet by forcing a confidentially clause upon my self, when pushed about this I am told the clause is only there to protect the privacy of the person complained about. But I am being told that I am bound by this clause even “surviving my resignation”, with a confidentiality clause that is there to protect me from myself? This tack is reiterated by the current Board Chair in the letter dismissing my complaint, see attached. I think this speaks volumes about the true line of thought and agenda behind this letter, to shut me up with non existent Master Plumber rules and codes….while they ignore the ones I can find. I believe that when faced with chairing this complaints committee then the member in question should have stood down, am I to believe he doesn’t remember me or my situation. I don’t believe he can manage his conflicts.

 

4.       On the same “Plumbers Forum” mentioned in the complaint there are many entries made by my self that tells of how I was treated and the effect it was having on my family, but the only ones that these people jump upon and claim moral superiority over is my tantrum after 3 years of persecution and a peaceful protest using swear words, pretty tame considering. For Example, they are happy to over look the entry on this same site about my wife opening very graphic child sexual abuse case notes, sent unmarked and opened by her, just before having to sell her home and live in a caravan with my two sons for a whole winter, while I worked away. These people have a very selective take on ethics.

 

I ask any or all members to raise this at an association level to prepare in order to table this at the up coming AGM, I regretfully had to resign because of the threat of a further investigation into myself at the hands of these people, as a non member I can not do this. I also ask the members to remember that these people only have power if they are followed, I know that they would not stand up to scrutiny, and as too many involved people are present on the MP Board and the complaints committee, that is why I turn to the society as a whole for their opinion, I was lead to believe that I was a member of an upstanding, moral, ethical fraternity, but my experience leads me to question this…..and so I turn to the members, who are the real back bone of Master Plumbers. I am happy to talk at the AGM if requested.

 

As far as my experience goes, I put in a lot of time and money, I represented my area as Association President and V.P., I tried to drum up membership, I attended a leadership course, I was told I was “in”……. but I also tried to prevent a dodgy, dangerous, unethical and unqualified person from hurting anyone…..but I complained to the very people who empowered him, these people had connections. The only tangible thing I got in return for this huge personal input was being totally shafted, done with threats and a sticker for my van. Bloody expensive stickers too.

 

Just think of this – it could happen to any one of you – any one of you.  I believed in this organisation – contrary to what some say I did not expect MP to pay my legal bills, or any of my bills, but what I did think I might get is some common human decency, some support from a professional organisation that I had contributed to for many years.   And bear this in mind also……the man I complained about…….his work is still out there. If anything like this happens again how will it reflect on Master Plumbers?

 

 

 

Yours Sincerely Paul Gee

 


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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 07:17:45 PM »
My letter of resignation and the history sent to all the associations

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 07:21:06 PM »
And the letter dismissing my complaint.....apparently I can't complain about them ignoring their own protocol and code....while they pontificate to me about my behaviour.......a public enquirey asap.....

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 07:26:47 PM »
Thank you for smitting.....

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 08:17:48 AM »
I have had over 30 smites since posting this, but not one reply.......just about sums them up.....all behind closed doors and behind your back or perhaps over the phone with a threatening phone call.....but never in public or to your face.........AND THIS IS WHY WE NEED A PUBLIC ENQUIREY....BECAUSE IN THE COLD HARD LIGHT OF DAY THESE PEOPLE DO NOT STAND UP TO SCRUTINY ....AND THE PUBLIC WOULD NOT BACK THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 12:11:02 PM »
Just thought I'd add a one sided poll.....can't remember where I got the idea from, think it was on an info brief ;)

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 03:20:13 PM »
hi guys/Badger, SMITE??? i don`t get it in relation to the forum, why is it needed? all these posts are members opinions so i don`t see where: Defeat/Conquer or a firm blow comes into it, i certainly would not use it, i know where a firm blow should be landed but it`s not here on this forum, cheers
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smite 
/smīt/ Verb
1.Strike with a firm blow.
2.Defeat or conquer (a people or land).
 
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hit - strike - knock - beat
 

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WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2013, 09:06:00 AM »
I'm not actually sure why we are registered with master plumbers, its for the cheaper petrol right? It's odd how the public perceives the only master plumbers are reliable plumbers and does the Master Plumber warranty actually work? Does anyone know anyone that has actually successfully lodged one with a positive outcome?

What I don't like about the master plumbers is that "an individual" is registered and not "the company" hence only one sticker should be allowed on the actual van of the registered individual certifying plumber. Not sure what the apprentice might reply when asked "what does it mean your a master plumber"? In the end the reality is most plumbers have the bloody sticker hoping to increase or not lose out on business. I would love to know what it takes to get on their board.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 09:14:25 AM »
Its just a bit of fun and offers some feed back for people Robbo, well to me anyway.

But it does seem that some on here think along the lines of your dictionary meaning, and probably the only time they get to do it to people, all be it virtually, unless it is by making threatening phone calls and doing things behind peoples backs....perhaps they were/are Dungeons and Dragons Hero's. :-[

I can see them now swashing and buckling with half a broom stick in their bedroom, pmsl ;)


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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 09:28:22 AM »
New guy, from my experience you need to regurgitate what ever your told by certain people, have no opinion and tell certain people involved how great they are. Don't ,what ever you do, offer constructive criticism......never, even if you are trying to help, certain people's ego's can't take it. I have no problem with the Master Plumbers as an organisation....most of the membership and hierarchy are great, just the select few who are bullying dicks who run it like a little fiefdom

My mistake was thinking that it was an organisation for tradesman to get together have a laugh and help each other out and speak your mind.

One guy told me how passionate he was about plumbing, so I asked to see the callouses on his knees.....as if it was plumbing that he loved he would be at it all the time.......when I told him it was bullshit and it was making money off plumbers backs that he was passionate about, he wasn't too happy.......I was told that I would be railroaded.....

If you are going to act personally and abuse your power ....then you shouldn't be in power....justice is meant to be blind and based on facts, not to do over people who offened you at a party, bullying cocks.

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2013, 09:39:17 AM »
I checked out certain "perks" and found I could get some for the same rates.

ALL I ASK IS FOR A PUBLIC ENQUIREY....CALL ME ON WHAT I HAVE POSTED ON HERE.

Not too long ago some comments on here were made about a certain CEO and a letter from a high powered lawyer followed pretty sharpish......

Please take the time to read my story attached, if none of it is true, wheres my letter?

This is what happened to me.....what would you do?? how would your wife handle it??

What if you lost time out of your kids lives, having to work away for 18 months out of your kids lives??

Loosing your business after lying letters were sent out to your local school, ruining your business and reputation.

Next time you are at the big MP functions and the Kava cup is brought out (a very worth while charity function, totally commendable and brilliant concept) Think how can these people allow this to happen to my family, some not just allow..... but are responsible for it!!!!


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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2013, 11:41:20 PM »
New guy, from my experience you need to regurgitate what ever your told by certain people, have no opinion and tell certain people involved how great they are.

I like your line of thinking Badger, I betta shut it if I want to progress lol  8)

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 08:03:18 AM »
I have just read the latest "fellow practitioner"....feel a bit like the John Lennon song, but can you imagine if the bullying knobs who are present in MP were ousted and the Feds and MP were to join forces with common sense and decency ruling over the selfish needs of a few, IMAGINE....que music......

I just saw the future and it was beautiful ;)


People .......start seeing the long game, a small few filling their own pockets today is NOT good planning for EVERYONE ELSE tomorrow, that is a fact.


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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 08:08:04 AM »
Haven't had a smite in a while....come on boys where are your fourth level dragon slayer wizards too? PMSL. :D

I am happy to front up at the MP AGM, and answer questions, and then I can question the people responsible for their behaviour in front of the membership. You know who you are...

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Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 04:39:58 PM »
I threw my sticker away. Who the hell is going to see it? Not me while driving and sure as hell noone else while I'm driving. None of the plumbers in my small town have them on their van.


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