Plumbers NZ is New Zealand's largest online plumbing, gas and drainage resource. Plumbing exam help, plumbing news, directory and free quotes.

Poll

Master Plumbers ....value for money?

Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD
1 (5.9%)
Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD AND run the biggest CPD provider.
1 (5.9%)
Yes.... I am glad they have people on the Board who implement, enforce and push CPD AND run the biggest CPD provider, and are way over represented on the PGDB. All  done against the best practice recommendations of the NZ Law Commision.
1 (5.9%)
Yes...... I love my sticker, looks nice
2 (11.8%)
HHMMMM not sure..... $1250.00 is worth paying for on top of all the shit they force on us and profit from.
12 (70.6%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Author Topic: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY  (Read 26525 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline bowtieboy

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 247
  • Karma: +30/-0
  • craftsman and proud of it
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2013, 10:06:30 PM »
what sticker? i never got a mp sticker? wtf! i want my money back! ......for the last 14 years!!!!
I believe in doing a job once and right. !

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2013, 11:48:39 AM »
After you pay your subscription .......you got to buy one, bargin really.

Its so sad that a small group of people are ruining it for every one else, just to fill their pockets and massage their ego's.....pretty much the same in what they are doing to the industry.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2013, 08:38:58 PM »
You got to ask your self if only 50% of what I have publically stated is true (and I know its 100% and I can back these claims, even got taped recordings that i am keeping for the special day, got to love modern technology) wouldn't these people have sent the scare tactic of the big noise lawyer's letter by now??

And if what I have said is true, are you happy to be part of a system that acts like this??

It could happen to anyone of you, there is no loyalty, they don't even abide by their own rules and have no problem to then pontificate to all and sundry how ethically superior they are.

There are some who love it the way it is, because they make it that way, for themselves.

Good luck running the gauntlet of not offending these bullies.......

Offline Rodza1

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 281
  • Karma: +20/-2
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2013, 09:32:21 AM »
Many Politicians,most local government(council) staff,PGDB members and now Master Plumbers. There all the same............

There to do as little actual hard labour as possible but to charge the absolute most for their "services" to NZ. So many people on very very good money but actually do F*ck all except to try justify their position every year for the next year. There is sooo much dead wood everywhere on boards, committees and the such in this country these days, all of whom can barely change a light bulb without F*cking it up, yet they are the masters of thousands of experienced hard working kiwis in this country led only by their own greed and hunger to get overpaid for yet another year for what they "actually" do, which in terms of productiveness isnt too much in my experiences. I cant speak for all of them but Id put the rate @ 70%

Its a real laugh watching people from say local council, come onto a job site who are definitely not qualified to have an opinion in the work you might be undertaking etc but because they are from the 'council' only their opinion matters, not yours. Have seen examples of jobs that have been taken over by these useless meat sacks because they want to throw their weight around in front of the 'lowly' manual labour workers.....that actually may or may not have many many more qualifications that relate to the work than they do...but then when their input/direction on the job turns to custard they simply jump in their nice air conditioned mazda and drive off leaving the manual labour workers to fix their mess....most
The Plumbers Gasfitters And Drainlayers Board- "White Collar Mafia"

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2013, 09:50:28 AM »
Its shocking mate, I absolutely love this country, proud to say my lads are born and bred kiwis, 90% of kiwis are great, hard working blokes(and bloke-ess's) it is beyond doubt the best country on this planet, by far.

But the shame and dis sapointment of it is the 10% lazy corrupt Dick's seem to be in the positions of power and influence, not all but too many. And they are spoiling for the rest of us.....how many good tradies have we lost to Oz and other countries?....what about CHCH? madness.

One of the Board members came up to me at a meeting and said "have you thought of going back to the UK or going to Oz", which seems to be their objective.....if you don't fit with their plans and agenda..... leave or be f****ed over......I told him I ain't going nowhere, my boys were born here, end of.

Watched a film about Nazi Germany last night.......Hitler had the same attitude.......

Heil Bickler, Heil Bickler......I can see him now at Moronburg working himself up in to a spitting rant....."shut up I am speaking".....cock!

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2013, 10:31:36 AM »
I know that the people I am talking about read this site, my rant to Max Pederson was on here for just a few hours, and over night at that, but they saw it and tried to persue me for my outburst (an outburst done after 3 years of bias persecution and loosing my business and home, but they apparently didn't see the post I put on here about my disgust that my long suffering wife receiving child sexual abuse case notes, apparently that is fine by them).

So I now offer the Board and Master Plumbers to get their best spin doctors and lawyers to make a public reply on this stream, to my claims ( I know you read this site), all the other members and fee paying licence holders can then judge what you are getting for your $4500.00 just to comply with the Board's system (a system that the CEO and chairman are happy to stand by and watch other people who use it to ruin innocent people's live's, in a bias and corrupt way, all with a 50% Master Plumber's members present on the Board, of the available trade positions on the Board) and also some of you the extra $1250.00 you pay to be a member.

I will take no reply as an admission of all that I have said is irrefutable.

Do these people speak for you all? Lets have it out in public, I'll have my say and you can have yours.....openly and fairly(which would be a first I know)

Then you can watch and see that if no reply is forth coming, then they can't refute any of what I have said....

I ask you if what I have said is true.... are you happy for this state of affairs.....are you happy to run the gauntlet of keeping on the right side of these people.....because if you don't suck up to them, they will have you....I am in no doubt about this.

To the Board and certain Master Plumber's please don't reply to this request by sending any more intimidating letters to my home for my wife to open, just say it loud and proud on here......I would expect if all that I have said is untrue or incorrect in anyway you could reply with in a week.....so I'll expect a reply by next Monday, you should because your credability is in tatters if you don't.

Cheers.

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2013, 10:49:36 AM »
Sent straight after the post.....come on lets have it in the open.Dear Mr Pederson and Master Plumbers’

 

Please see below a post that I have placed on the Plumber’s Forum. As I have asked for a reply within a week publically I thought it only fair to let you know asap. What you have done to my family is disgusting. If you think I am going to let this ride and take it on the chin you are so wrong. I will force this into the public arena one way or another; you do not intimidate me whatsoever. You are corrupt and turn a blind eye to a very biased and dodgy investigation into me, I WILL NOT stand for this.

 

I want my apology from Mr Uren asap, it is ludicrous that Ms Cull has reached a conclusion and asked for my reply to her ruling months ago, it is despicable. I have asked her for what has happened but received no reply to date. I don’t think this is acceptable.

 

 

I know that the people I am talking about read this site, my rant to Max Pederson was on here for just a few hours, and over night at that, but they saw it and tried to persue me for my outburst (an outburst done after 3 years of bias persecution and loosing my business and home, but they apparently didn't see the post I put on here about my disgust that my long suffering wife receiving child sexual abuse case notes, apparently that is fine by them).

So I now offer the Board and Master Plumbers to get their best spin doctors and lawyers to make a public reply on this stream, to my claims ( I know you read this site), all the other members and fee paying licence holders can then judge what you are getting for your $4500.00 just to comply with the Board's system (a system that the CEO and chairman are happy to stand by and watch other people who use it to ruin innocent people's live's, in a bias and corrupt way, all with a 50% Master Plumber's members present on the Board, of the available trade positions on the Board) and also some of you the extra $1250.00 you pay to be a member.

I will take no reply as an admission of all that I have said is irrefutable.

Do these people speak for you all? Lets have it out in public, I'll have my say and you can have yours.....openly and fairly(which would be a first I know)

Then you can watch and see that if no reply is forth coming, then they can't refute any of what I have said....

I ask you if what I have said is true.... are you happy for this state of affairs.....are you happy to run the gauntlet of keeping on the right side of these people.....because if you don't suck up to them, they will have you....I am in no doubt about this.

To the Board and certain Master Plumber's please don't reply to this request by sending any more intimidating letters to my home for my wife to open, just say it loud and proud on here......I would expect if all that I have said is untrue or incorrect in anyway you could reply with in a week.....so I'll expect a reply by next Monday, you should because your credability is in tatters if you don't.

Cheers.

Offline Jaxcat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1008
  • Karma: +40/-4
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 11:06:18 AM »
Badger - where is all this leading?  What is the game plan?  You know as well as I do that the PGDB are not going to reply to you in a public forum like this - they can't - it would be ridiculous for them to do so.  Their staff will have strict protocols regarding correspondence and who can do what and writing on their behalf on a chat forum like this won't be one they have a policy to cover I wouldn't think.  I have followed your case carefully and there is no doubt that the letters sent to your customers implicating you in the Auckland Gas Certificate debacle was deplorable and should have been followed by a swift apology and a letter of retraction to your customers to whom it was sent.  No question that would have been the correct thing to do.  They didn't and you are justified in being angry about that.  The case itself was most interesting - and I thought you did exceptionally well to overturn so many of the charges (and rightly so as you had not done what was alleged).  The Board carried out their investigation somewhat shoddily from what I have read - allegedly the investigator it appears did not visit all the properties and the lawyer seemded to have put words in some people's mouths -and this was evidenced by people withdrawing their statements and not turning up at the case at all.  In the scheme of things I would hope the PGDB learned a lot from the way this was conducted.  A lot of tradesman's money was used in persuing you - with little result for the PGDB.

As to the two particulars - it does appear the califont was too close to an opening window using NZ5261 and that although the British Standard would perhaps apply and be okay - it wasn't referenced in the paperwork for the job or the gas cert?  Is this the crux of it?  So where do you go know - becasue obviously sending them letters and emails etc isn't getting anywhere.  I can see you almost self combusting and you have a young family that you refer to on her often - how is this effecting them?  What is the next move - because for your own peace of mind and health you need to either take some sort of legal action or start to re-build your life and move on.  I don't say this in a flippant way - but I can see from your posts that your must have a blood pressure through the roof.  The PGDB are now worth either your health or your happiness.  They aren't going to play tag on here or any other public forum I would guess.  So how are you going to deal with this? 
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 02:10:29 PM »
I think the time of hiding behind their protocol and process is well over, they need to front up. I have followed their protocol and got truly shafted, so they can shove that right up their arse. Following their lead, on their pitch, with their ref and their rule book is bullshit and they are bent and incapable of playing fair, I ain't doing it their way any more.

There are four and a half thousand potential viewers on this forum and about seven hundred MP members.

To not respond to being called publically corrupt and accused of acting in this despicable manner is to view everyone else in the industry with contempt and total disregard if you don't explain yourself.....if all I said was untrue I would have been sued for slander......but it ain't slander if it is based in fact.....and if it is true then there needs to be a public enquiry. The arrogance of these people knows no bounds......they look at me as though I am the problem for raising it....nah they are the problem, they should have done the right thing from the start.

As far as my next move Jax and how this effects my family, we are all cool, just spent the summer hols with my lads and had the best "summer holidays" of my life. It do not and I will not allow it to effect them.....but if you think I am going to go through this bullshit and then just crawl under a stone....well you don't know me very well.

Its not about the bullshit charges,hiding evidence, setting me up or the non existant course that I have to do to re-licence this year....IT IS BECAUSE THEY DID THIS TO ME AND MY FAMILY, END OF STORY IT IS/WAS TOTALLY WRONG AND UNFOUNDED FROM DAY ONE. The whole thing was avoidable and should never have happened I will not take it lying down.

And yes I will mention my family, I do not come as a single entity.... what you do to me will ultimately effect my family, and these arsehols should be made aware that their silly little games of power and screwing people over has run on effects.

If you tell lies about me and ruin my ability to provide for my kids, then hell yes I will tell you about it. As for my blood pressure I am all cool and the gang........

I would like to see others if they had been through what I have AND my family and see their reaction, it is wrong and needs addressing.........I have tried all manner of ways, and I going to get more and more public about it until it is looked at fairly and openly, you have my word on this.

They need to front up and answer my accusations....I ain't going nowhere. 8)

I'll get on with my life when I get given my life back, a life that was taken by corruption and backroom deals....I had a good reputation and a viable business.

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 02:20:18 PM »
In a public forum these people do not stand up to natural justice or scrutiny, to play behind closed doors is to allow them to do as they please with no mirror to their actions, I have seen how they behave out of the public eye, it isn't nice or fair, probably even legal.

If I had a few spare dollars (which I haven't BECAUSE OF THEM) I would go them with every spare cent I had. I only have publicity to highlight this and if writing a few emails while my kids play, feck yeah I am going to.

I think you should be more concerned that they don't respond, not give the out of following protocol. Their processes protect them, it is bullshit.

I will never let this lie, I assure you.

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2013, 02:25:37 PM »
Just one more thing .....are you saying that the NON maditory part two of the NZ5261 IS manitory?

I showed how the fumes would act, even drew diagrams.....and I was right, which is proven by the British Standard, does it matter when I said it or referenced it? it is a fact that it was safe....it is just bollox. The whole process and policy of the Board protects some real dodgy actions.....so I think it is wrong.

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2013, 05:26:28 PM »
And lets not forget that some poor sod who nearly died in an explosion, in a situation I am on record continually trying to warn about for 6 years before it happened.....i.e. dodgy certs covering dodgy work...... and still to this very day, the explosion and the person responsible goes uninvestigated by a competent impartial investigator.

John Darnley who in all probability was responsible for the explosion was never even questioned about it and it is the very same person I tried to warn about for 6 years.

Even though Darnley was the last person who installed the last appliance at the site of an explosion but (and this as per the Board) he didn't register the cert.....but all copies available show no test results for gas leaks....but the Board have an electrical copy on the Board's web site!!!! ...but they went after me??? and people wonder why I find it hard to move on with my life. I did f**** all wrong and paid heavily for it.

I was set up as a scapegoat for something I tried to warn about......I could see someone was going to get hurt......then I was blamed for it, that is why I won't let it go......it ain't about some bullshit charge or all the other corrupt crap......

I only tried to warn about it because the guy was hopeless at his job and worse than that didn't give a f****.......and this is reason enough to f**** me over??? I had heaps of work on, had nothing to gain.....I was actually doing quite well rectifying his bullshit work.......I just didn't want to see anyone get hurt, so yeah I'm a bit pissed off, who wouldn't be.

I will never let this go until it is looked into.

I think these people should stop hiding behind biased bullshit protocol and procedures and front up to their actions, in the open, in public.

The thing is they did have a massive devastating effect on me for 3 years, but now they are a little hobby of mine, takes me about 10 mins to write one of these emails and I can contact 4500 potential people IN ONE POST on the forum, so I will keep at it no worries it is all about exposure, them hiding behind their bullshit just makes them look worse....then me and my lads will go down the beach, tidy 8).

Offline Jaxcat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1008
  • Karma: +40/-4
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2013, 08:06:34 PM »
Hi Badger - I understand what you are saying - I wasn't making a judgement on 5261 - that is why I put a question mark after what I said - my understanding of what I have read in the transcript was that the crux of the two particulars they found you guilty on was around process of not claiming to have used the British Standard and that this was why the Court of Appeal wouldn't allow it to be introduced becasue it hadn't been used in the defence of the case the Board bought against you.

I know that there was a technical bulletin from one of the water heating companies that had a measurement on it, but that it was Australian.  These are the two particulars that you are trying to get over turned so that you have a 100% clean record isn't it?  That's what I was asking.

The PGDB won't ever respond publicly to you - it would be great for you if they would - and I'm sure everyone else would like to read it too (I know I would) - but it ain't ever going to happen. 

I have kids too - I know how my stress affects them - you do have people out here that are truly concerned about you and what you are going through.

The example of your case and disciplinary hearing is one that perhaps encapsulated the ineptness of the Board and their investigation processes.  I know that I go on about processes and protocols, but they are important in the way we conduct our business.  The processes used in your case (again from what I have read and understood) were hugely lacking.  I was just wondering where this is all going and how it will end - it appears you will keep on keeping on until they either call you out (I guess legally) or apologise.  And I suppose 1 April licensing year will be a watershed if they refuse your license because of the course (which doesn't exist). 

I guess it is watch this space. 

PS I'm glad you've had a good break with your kids - in the end there is nothing else in life that is more important - the rest is just window dressing.

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2013, 08:48:21 PM »
Totally Jax, had a ball, but my missis has missed out again because she had to work over xmas, I have had to take a two month break while my wife provides.

I truly believe that all this has to come out and be viewed openly, I don't care for, nor expect any answer, but I will say this.... if I was accused of half of what I have said..... I would respond.... and going by their past actions they would have set the legal team on me if one thing that I have said wasn't true, but it all is true and they know it.


The one question everysingle tradesman needs to ask is......Should an Industry Board be able to make a scapegoat of someone to protect their mistakes and the mistakes of their connected cronies?

I don't think this is right and I am never going to stop thinking this and letting these people know that, and anyone else that will listen. Until I get a full retraction, an apology and compensation for what they did to me, sacking of those responsible and that twat Hammond investigated.....I am going nowhere. The only way to defend these people is to agree that underhanded bullying is OK.....well it is not. I really don't care what policy they try to hide behind.

I am meant to shut up just because they won't answer me.........nah, no thanks. I will up the anti soon, thinking of a few options, this ain't over by a long shot.

If they have learnt so much by my situation...... perhaps I should charge them for all the CPD I have provided, LOL.

Offline Badger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1988
  • Karma: +222/-151
Re: WHAT SUPPORT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MASTER PLUMBERS...NOT MANY...IF ANY
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2013, 10:27:38 PM »
Just had a very depressing chat with a mate, a mutual friend of ours who has endured a 10 year fight against the Board, been dobbed in by someone very connected, he has had a real bad time of it and along with all that it has cost him both financially and emotionally (which these bullying bastards wouldn't last a week of similar treatment)......his wife has had to have a triple by-pass and flown to hospital, all totally stress related......stress caused by the Board and their cronies, it is nothing short of evil.

All you big men out there hope you are proud of your selves...........back room bullies, scum utter scum.

I would go into details but don't want to reveal his identity.

You total tossers........you know who you are.....karma will have you.........


Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via twitter

Similar Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies / Views Last post
xx
Where are all the Master Plumbers

Started by redneck

4 Replies
3199 Views
Last post July 09, 2011, 03:53:33 PM
by integrated
xx
Master plumbers ceo Standing down

Started by peasea

11 Replies
6782 Views
Last post September 15, 2012, 08:49:24 PM
by Jaxcat
xx
Master Plumbers submission

Started by Jaxcat

2 Replies
2293 Views
Last post March 31, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
by Badger
xx
what do you think of maurice williamson mp and the master plumbers

Started by jd24hrs

14 Replies
9037 Views
Last post August 15, 2010, 11:14:22 AM
by spud
 
Share this topic...
In a forum
(BBCode)
In a site/blog
(HTML)