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Offline chilly

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 08:35:38 PM »
Hi guys /robbo what i would like to know is how is uren allowed to make a statement like that on radio what qualifications has he ?
As far as i know he is not even a plumber , he is a pencil pusher with a very large ego he reminds me of a school teacher who knows all the rules   but couldnt and wouldnt have the slightest idea how to put a lego set together. This is just another chance to muddy the waters with the general public and confuse people, sounds like a desperate man hanging on to a job slipping from his grip .
(Message to uren bye bye stand in the job cue next to routham your time is up) chilly
 

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2011, 12:56:35 PM »
Hi.

Kern Uren is a plumber, Craftsman Gasfitter and Drainlayer

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2011, 01:18:28 PM »
Again guys I don't think we should personalise things.  It is not the particular person at fault here - these are people doing their job and doing what they are paid to do.  We need to keep this issues based, name calling and insulting a person by name doesn't make any of us look that great.  By all means have a go at the instution and the policy, and there is plenty of fodder there alone - without resorting to insulting individuals.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2011, 04:24:30 PM »
Hi Crusty / jaxcat your probably right not to mention names but maybe thats the problem instead of hiding behind images and principles say what you think ,if we dont say how we feel how do we move forward i respect your views but my view of this man and this board is not printable here . I came here and was accepted by the govt on my qualifications and i have been shafted by this board i cannot work as a self employed person until i take all the tests which could take 5yrs if i pass first time. One arm of the govt said yes and the other said no now take our tests after it cost me and many other foreign plumbers thousands of dollars just to get here ,how would you feel . I think this is a great country and a great place to live but all you do is pay pay pay i have twenty yrs exp as plumber gas engineer domestic /commercial but here i am just a labourer . Sorry bit of a rant im not bitter  just very determined now to see the end of the apartheid system you have here and my view of the aforementioned person still stands a pencil pusher with an attitude cheers chilly.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2011, 05:31:43 PM »
Chilly - I can understand how you feel.  I believe the initial problem is that Immigration are not singing from the same song sheet at the PGDB - so the initial advice you get is wrong.  I understand that you have probably uprooted your family and now suffer financially for that decision.  I hear that the PGDB are putting the issue of overseas practitioners high on their work schedules for sorting.  I have one practitioner from overseas who has recently been given his Certifying status after a lot of paperwork - so it does happen!!  Good luck with getting your problem sorted - but remember the Board are the ones putting the policy in place and the employees of the PGDB are not given huge amounts of wiggle room to action the decisions.  I'm also far from happy with the Board and their decisions - and so it appears is the government - evidenced by inches of paper reports showing them wanting.  We do need to stick together and present an industry wide view - and forums like this are good for re-inforcing that view.

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2011, 11:13:37 AM »
Badger, how can you be sure of the  reason the man at the centre of the gasfitting debacle wasn't prosecuted by the police. I'm sure it was proven that he did  not do most if any of the work , simply sold/gave away the certificates

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2011, 11:38:59 AM »
My understanding is that no prosecution took place because the police decided that it was up to 3 years since the certs were signed and that anyone could have come and altered the work.  There was a newspaper article about why the police didn't prosecute. Google it and I'm sure you'll be able to find it - pretty sure it was in The Herald.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2011, 12:03:15 PM »
Found it  Story follows:

Gasfitter in clear over false-certificate claims
By Jared Savage
4:00 AM Thursday Dec 10, 2009
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A police inquiry into an experienced gasfitter who was accused of signing hundreds of bogus safety certificates has cleared him of any wrongdoing.
The Weekend Herald revealed in September that hundreds of homes and businesses had been fitted with potentially illegal and dangerous gas connections which authorities say could put people at risk of fire or poisoning.
Police and Government authorities began investigating nearly 400 blank safety certificates that appeared to be signed by a craftsman gasfitter, then sold to up to eight unqualified tradesmen who carried out work in Auckland and Northland.
The sales went on for nearly three years until a homeowner noticed her gas certificate looked bogus and laid a complaint with the government licensing body, the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board, in July.
However, criminal charges will not be laid against the gasfitter at the centre of the inquiry. It now appears as though the safety certificates were able to be falsified because of a loophole left open by the gasfitters board.
Police spokeswoman Noreen Hegarty said the investigation was finished and there was insufficient evidence pointing to any criminal activity.
One of the factors considered by police was the large time delay between the time of installation of fittings and the audit dates - in some cases three years - during which time any number of people could have had access to fittings and gas installation.
Some fittings failures were beyond the certifier's control, said Ms Hegarty.
"For example, after installing and certifying a wall-mounted gas water heater at a property, a builder at the site later installed a vent beside the gas water heater, causing the gas fitter's job to fail a compliance test," she said.
Ms Hegarty pointed out that - prior to very recent changes to the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers website - anyone could purchase a book of gas certificates and use someone else's name.
All details needed to complete a gas safety certificate are available online, as the man at the centre of the inquiry is listed as a craftsman gasfitter with his registration number.
Anyone could buy a booklet of certificates from the board, fill in the gasfitter's details, then forge his signature.
The craftsman gasfitter, 72, welcomed the exoneration by police but declined to comment further.
The embarrassing loophole has since been closed by the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board but chairman Kern U'ren did not return phone calls yesterday.
An audit of more than 370 commercial premises and private homes found more than 90 per cent failed to meet compliance tests, with 16 found to be dangerous or unsafe.
At the time, gas investigator John DeBernardo said the blank certificates were a small fraction of the 100,000 issued during the three-year period.
While most were technical breaches and the number of potentially lethal gas leaks found was small, he urged anyone with information to come forward.

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2011, 01:15:49 PM »
There was a registered gasfitter on TV at the time (an Indian from memory) that was part of this. Did he get fined?

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Re: who does she think she is another routhan maybe
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2011, 01:21:20 PM »
I don't know, but I'm sure if there was sufficient evidence the PGDB would have taken action as the case received huge publicity.  The PGDB do act swiftly if they have sufficient evidence - the issue around the above incident was that industry looked very, very bad - and no spotlight was shone on the PGDB and the fact they continued to sell this guy certificates without getting many back. Their systems failed as much as anything else.  I have no sympathy for any gasfitters buying certs from this guy and using them illegally - they deserve everything they get.  It is obvious the craftsman gasfitter (as he would have been then) did not visit any of the installations, nor test or commission them.  All gasfitters should be aware of their obligations around supervision and direction - and if you are not aware then check the PGDB website for their publication on Supervision. 


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