One thing you must be aware of with these annual audits that you don't find out about until their is a problem.....and I know this from experience....

Once the compliant is made you HAVE to see the process through......if you plead guilty you only pay a fine with no costs.....but if you stick up for your self they go you like you wouldn't believe.....

A thought for you.....do you think the number of investigations and prosecutions will increase or decrease.......NOW THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY A DISAPLINARY LEVI AND THEY HAVE LOST THE INCOME OF THE GASCERTS.

If, as I believe they will, go up in number then the odds of them going each and everyone of you increases.

Now how do you feel about running the gauntlet of dealing with these corrupt f****ers......get ready to kiss arse or get torn a new one......you can act now or put up with this bullshit later.

Badger, you are right , and something needs to be done

Apparently according to Maurice, he said in Parliament there was an explosion in Nelson at a Pizza Hut.......do any one know of such a thing happening??

I live here and haven't heard of one.....the only one I have heard of is the one that no one has been held accountable for and was done by my ex boss....surely he could be that uninformed

Yes Robbo, My old boss was granted his license after one oral exam and no apprenticeship served....granted by the very same Mr Hammond who the Board appointed to investigate the explosion (supposedly to investigate impartially hahaha). Both members of NZIGE as well as Mr Parker the presiding chair at my disciplinary too....funny that

Strangely enough Mr Hammond didn't go after my old boss...the bloke that he empowered, that was not time served. Then he withheld evidence and notes, amended the charges to fit two weeks out from the hearing, etc etc.

Didn't even question him about the explosion, even though he was the last person to work there and didn't register the cert for the pizza oven, but all the carbon copies of the cert show no leak test was recorded.

Guess what the compliant was about from the Dept of Labour.......dodgy certs and specifically mentions the pizza oven cert.......and not to mention I had spent the 6 previous years warning about my old boss......

Who do you think the Board should have gone after......

All with the knowledge of the minister, who in his own words can't direct them.......welcome to the world of the Board.....

Where exactly do you want your new arse torn...........

Do something about it now, you will not have an opportunity like this for a very long time, if ever again

sent to day to every single minister

Dear Ministers,

 

I witnessed Mr Maurice Williams MP tirade on the Parliament channel last night and would like to make some comments on this Parliamentary speech made on behalf of this Bill to be amended, to allow the illegal gathering of nearly 2 million dollars from the plumbing and related trades.
 

I believe Mr Maurice Williams’ statement that….there are no sections available to the Board to prosecute unlicensed plumbers and gasfitters, I believe that 121 to 132 of the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006, are available to the Board for these purposes, which covers offences and Infringement notices which are not used by the Board appointed by the Minister. A clear documented process for dealing with non registered people. I believe the amendment is more for the reason to get them out of trouble for a problem that they have known about for sometime.
 

His accusations that this legislation was passed by the Labour Government but he apparently forgot to mention National opposed a lot of the Bill at the time, so were aware of the problems and as soon as they got into Government didn’t apparently do anything to change it but simply implemented the Act in 2010, 4 years after the period he was referring to.
 

His mention of an explosion in a Nelson Pizza Hut, is very confusing and I think maybe unfounded. The only Pizza cooking related explosion I know of in my area of Nelson, is the one mentioned in the attached documents and emails below specifically certificate 345138 for a Pizza oven. My side of the story is available in my submission to the select committee on the Parliamentary website, under the name Paul Gee. I rang the local pizza hut in Nelson and the person who answered the phone said he knew nothing about an explosion, the only one he had heard of was , ironically, the one in Milton Street.
 

I ask all ministers to ask themselves if they want to get behind a bill in such a rushed manner, National ministers especially as you will be the ones remembered for implementing it. Please think of it in light of this reluctance to go after the real culprit in this only pizza cooking related explosion available to everyone I know in the industry, which  the Board tried to be frame me for. All this is now known to the Minister Maurice Williamson. This man, my ex boss John Darnley, was also licensed, all be it by way of one oral exam carried out by the very same man that the Board saw fit to appoint as an impartial investigator, against my formal protests.
 

Who do you think the investigator should have gone after? I had complained about John Darnley for 6 years before, specifically for dodgy certs covering dodgy work. The last work was done by him at the site of this explosion and by the Boards own admission, see below, they knew he didn’t register the cert 345138 just 8 to 9 days after the explosion. John Darnley wasn’t even questioned about it.
 

The attached compliant, the whole basis for going after me, specifically mentions this cert 345138 and its discrepancies, it is totally in my old bosses name and all carbon and electronic copies show the GAS LEAK TEST RESULTS are empty at the site of an EXPLOSION. I have a 33 page report that goes toward dismissing the importance of this fundamental part of checking for gas leaks, issued by the Board
 

Mr Williamson dismissing the Federation as a small malcontent faction in the industry is not my experience. Every one I meet express concern but are too scared to raise their concerns because they believe they will be railroaded, and you can’t blame them when you know of my treatment. People are leaving the industry and sometimes the country hand over fist.
 

Mr Williamson appears to only listen to the Master Plumbers, who are part of the Board, having a 50% representation on the Board of the available places for the trades. Against it appears of the best recommendations for impartiality by the NZ Law Commission see below from a document available on http://www.lawcom.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/2008/01/Publication_131_385_IP6_Tribunals_in_NZ.pdf -
 

5.36 A difficulty arises here in that occupational regulatory and disciplinary bodies are

often funded by the relevant industry, which may adversely affect perceptions of

their independence. However, this funding is necessary. We suggest that it may be

acceptable for these bodies to be funded through mechanisms such as licensing fees

and industry levies provided that they are independent from industry associations

and other purely industry groups, and that other mechanisms are in place to

safeguard their independence. For example, in its recent review of the Real Estate

Agents Act 1976, the Ministry of Justice suggested that the body responsible for

licensing and disciplinary matters ought to be “independent from the industry,”

meaning that the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand should not be able to exercise

control over it. This body would be constituted as a separate body that would be

required to report annually to Parliament. Finally, it was seen as important for

public perceptions of independence that the Minister of Justice should appoint

members, rather than the industry appointing the members.337 We note that these

recommendations arose in a context of public concern about the real estate industry.

However, we suggest that the underlying principles reflect a wider trend towards

greater independence for occupational bodies, and that the recommendations can

be considered as an example of best practice in any event.

I have some questions……
 

How did the exact information as the carbon copies for cert 345138 get on to the electronic register to enable an electronic cert to be made  and with a matching cert number? If the Board never received the master copy, the electronic copy in all probability being on the site before the explosion.
 

Do you really want such a Board to be given even more power, remember every one at the Board in any power knew of it all then (or should have) and definitely do by now, but are in no hurry to investigate. Even the Minister Maurice Williamson says as things are he has no control over the direction of the Board. He is here for the Health and Safety for the Public, but no one has been held accountable for this near fatal explosion.
 

Do you want to be remembered by history for further empowering such apparent incompetence or even worse corruption?
 

Out of all the people involved in my situation, who do you think has the Health and safety of the public first and foremost in their mind?
 

Are you happy for an innocent person to be framed for something he tried to warn about, losing his home, business and reputation, having to work away from his family for the two years since the hearing? Just to protect an incompetent Board and the real culprit.
 

Yours Sincerely Paul Gee, please see below 2 emails from the Boards lawyer.

 

From: Melanie Phillips [mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 4:13 p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee
Cc: Wal Gordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee 

Hi Paul

Please see attached Belinda’s filenote of her request to John Darnley for a copy of certificate 345138.  This occurred after she was contacted by lawyers acting for the owner on 17 April 2009 requesting copies of all gas certificates relating to 136 Milton Street.   

Also attached is a copy of the certificate received which, as you will see, is of quite poor quality.

Please let me know if you need any more information. 

Regards

Mel

 

From: Melanie Phillips[mailto:melanie@pgdb.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 3:22p.m.
To: Paul & Emma Gee; WalGordon
Subject: RE: Paul Gee

Hi Paul

I have just gone back through the fileand can confirm that the Board never received a pink copy of certificate345138.  The only copy the Board has is a photocopy of the certifierscopy, which you produced as exhibit PG007 together with a copy of the gassuppliers copy.

I see notes from Belinda Greer on thefile that the Board copy of certificate 345138 was received after the explosionin 2009, I think from the Department of Labour.

I’m sorry I can’t help youfurther.

Regards

Mel

 

Paul Gee Plumbing & Gas Ltd

PO Box 249, Takaka 7142

0274 33 33 50 / 03 525 9889

 

Doesn't it look just a teeny bit dodgy, just this...... alone forget all the conflicts of interest and with held notes and photos.....but just the fact that John Darnley hasn't even been questioned nor his family who run the office........

IT COULD BE ANY ONE OF YOU, I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF MY ASSOCIATIONFOR THE MASTER PLUMBERS.

Just make sure you are good at kissing arse and don't tell anyone what you really think, even if it for the best.....

GOOD LUCK WALKING ON EGGSHELLS....... AROUND BULLIES......