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ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« on: September 17, 2011, 09:21:22 AM »
Hi guys, has anyone had time to see the new consultation? in my opinion there are not enough options to be relevant but of course if we do not participate it will be taken as a vote for the board. Have a look at it and have your say,cheers 

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 06:28:33 AM »
Hi Robbo
You can always add an additional page with your comments - don't feel constrained by the lack of space.  What is interesting though is the fact that they show the fees they are consulting on, but do NOT show how they get to this figure.  This is very important.  If you check the annual report and see what they collected in disciplinary levies and what was expended there is a gap (in their favour).    ALL money collected for disciplinary matters should be used for disciplinary matters or else it should be ring fenced and carried forward to the next year.  On this basis there would be a pool of money available and a real possibility that the disciplinary levy should be lowered this year in total.  I would like to see a transparent break down of spending.  For example in the latest Fellow Practitioner we saw costs for just one disciplinary case - but in those totals there were no costs for the Board's travel to the particular town where the hearing was heard, nor for accommodation or food etc - where are theyse costs attributed in their accounts?  The PGDB should have provided more information with their consultation document.  When you are considering what to put - spent a few minutes looking at the annual accounts to see where this money is going.
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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 09:56:06 AM »
hi guys/jax, yes i do understand what you are saying but if there were more options such as: do you think we should discontinue the disciplinary levy? : do you think we should levy others for policing cowboys? etc. You see where i am going here don`t you. Also the exemption questions should have been accompanied with the relavent act details, i have included the act details for anyone who does not have them, cheers

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 10:13:59 AM »
hi guys, just reading the blurb on employer licencing. it seems that there has been little interest in this licence,.. The Board has not yet issued an employer licence but there are currently two businesses still operating under licences issued by the Ministry of Economic Development. Considering an application for an employer licence
will require the Board to engage external expertise to assess the applicant’s operating systems to
ensure that the health and safety of the public would not be compromised by issuing a licence.
The proposed fee is set to recover the estimated cost to the Board of processing and assessing an
application. The costs are estimated on the basis that this work will involve two days of consultant
time and four hours of staff time.

looks like spend a lot of time and our money on this for no good reason so i say lets have a question of: Do you think that the employer licence should be discontinued, cheers

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 02:53:27 PM »
Hi Guys

I have just been to the board website to download the consultation document and keep geting the message that it is unavailable and to please try again later. I find this totaly unexeptable given the short time space that we have to reply to this consultation. If this was going to iwi you would have at least 8 weeks to consult.
I also agree with Jaxcat how did they arrive at the figure of $182?
Where is the break down of costs?
Unless the moral improves the floggings will continue

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 05:29:50 PM »
hi guys/aboutgas, go up to my first post, it is there to download,cheers

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 06:35:09 PM »
guys - what is the point of a employer license?

everyone has to be registered/licensed to practice

if you have employer license is this not the case?

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 08:26:08 PM »
hi guys/integrated, i believe that having a "employer licence" allows an employer to employ a load of cowboys to do the work as long as they are supervised by a certifying tradesman,cheers 

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2011, 08:40:54 PM »
I think the two companies that have an employer licence may be Rinnai and Aquaheat Wellington.  Not 100% sure - but they are two companies that I have come across that I think have employer licenses.  These licences are not easy to get - and require huge amounts of paperwork and protocols.  If you are a registered/licensed person working under these licences then you have strict criteria about what work you can perform i.e. if you wanted to say, do some work at a neighbours place etc then my understanding is that you could be disciplined if you do not have a licence of your own as this would not fall under the employer licence criteria. 

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2011, 08:44:10 PM »
hi guys, just noticed that when they want to agree with their fee extortion, they then include us in the statement of protection of n.zers where they say they are also protecting our reputation,,,funny that.

 Disciplinary levy and prosecutions fee.
The Act provides that it is an offence to do, or assist with, plumbing, gasfitting or Drainlaying work unless authorised by the Act. One of the Board’s functions is to take legal action against people who commit such offences. This protects public health and safety and the reputation of licensed plumbers, gasfitters and Drainlayers.
 Never seen that before anywhere in their newsletters,cheers

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2011, 08:50:55 PM »
Something to ponder on - in your reply under the consultation we should be asking the PGDB to lobby government to ensure a portion of the gas levy paid by every NZ'er who has gas on at their homes or business - goes to the PGDB to prosecute unlicensed people undertaking gasfitting at their home.  This happens with the electrical levy for the Electrical Workers Registration Board.  It would ease the costs of practitioners.

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Re: ANOTHER CONSULTATION.
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2011, 09:23:46 PM »
hi guys,yes jax a good idea but that only covers gasfitting. Why should us tradesmen be:levied/taxed to fund prosecution of members of the public who choose to break the law and are knothing to do with us,who knows what else they will want us to fund as they thing we are such an easy touch. Put the levy/tax where it belongs with the sellers of materials and tools and advice to these people who carry out this illegal work,cheers


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