Hi guys/like you jax,I found it very interesting . After scanning the document (I printed it out as I will be going over it often) and seeing that the act was not carried out correctly it has reinforced all my views about the board, they seemed to have made it up as they went along knowing that there was no option of redress. I reckon that all rules and regulations should be rewound to 1999 before p.routhan was in charge, and let the board have another go. I went to the pre cbl for gasfitters meeting in Christchurch (2003) and walked out halfway through commenting as I went, deregulation within 10 yrs, I think that is still on track, it seems to me bad decisions by govt departments usually take that long to go full circle and finish up back where they started. I think it has been advantageous for the board that we have been in a recession for so long, the work dried up and the need for more tradesmen ended. I believe that the next building boom will find a massive shortage of our trades, then watch the …t hit the fan, of course governments will have changed, there will be a new minister of building who will no doubt be blaming the previous govt and in the middle there will be us, if we are still in it.cheers   

Hi guys, jd I think you are right, the board has been let off rather than being kicked off. This report is pretty damming but only offers recommendations, the present board will be blaming the previous board and fobbing us off with statements like ‘we are working to address a wide range of problems’ / ‘the board confirmed that it would look further at the content’ / ‘the board has started working to amend poor relationships’ / ‘the board has been carrying out an organisational review’ / ‘the board has recognised that it needs to..blah blah blah’ / ‘the board accepts that there is a need to…blah blah’, the board can hide behind any such statement and basically change nothing. I think that they should be putting out an immediate statement to us outlining changes and to apologise for such bad handling of working people’s livelihoods. I`m not sure that anything will happen any time soon, I have come to the conclusion that as jd said once before, don`t pay the b…….ds. As Wal noted they can`t operate without our licence fees (which are far too high) so what about some conditions from us tradesmen to be met by the board before we all uplift our licences, they have been working outside of the legal boundary’s for years so why can`t we? As the report says if the board does not address the issues with us, they will continue to fester and become even bigger problems. I still believe that the notion of a BOARD to control the work of us tradesmen is fatally flawed (why do they need 9 board members plus a slew of office staff) and will eventually be discontinued I recon a few of us could run that operation no problem, cheers.   

I've also just read the report and have to whole heartedly agree with you guys,

I'm disgusted to have read some of the things that the 'board' have been up too.  Everything about the organisation has been a lie from the exams all the way through to operational policies and license fees.  I dont think i will ever trust them no matter how much they say they will change,theyre full of *hit like most govt departments. We don't even get an apology which i feel is definitely in order as i hate being walked all over by these a**holes just to see them basically get off scot free and to have them say they are trying to put it right. I bet if i made a mistake on a gas installation theyd brutally punish me but yet they are as guilty as a pack of modern day gangsters but thats ok??   

And whats up with Phil Routhan former registrar??? Seems to me like he was the king dick at the head of this outrageous scandal and is anything but squeaky clean.
I had an oppurtunity to meet him with my classmates on my last block course in petone on the third to last day in late 07 maybe early 08 but i went home as i has finished everything.After reading this report I'd wish id stayed to punch him in the face........

Hi Guys

We all have to realise the government isn't going to change anything because its too hard.  They'll keep covering their rear ends and laying the blame on everone else, including us. What we have to do is get numbers up so we can establish a formidable group that is there to monitor government legislation and be the voice for us. So get out there and drum up numbers. get all those tradesmen sitting back doing nothing and get them motivated.  It doesn't have to be just plumbers gas fitters and drainlayers as you mark my words every regulated person in New Zealand is going to go through the same sh*t in the governments push for self certification so they can sit back and take no blame.

Think of this.  They are working on us to upskill so they can tell the consumer we are the best. Then they will make us all self certifying.  Good in some ways but extremely bad in others. On the good side we get the recognition we deserve and won't have to go through inspections with the local councils which I don't think is too bad any way but look at the bad side.  We will all be subject to audits, we will all need a huge amount of public liability insurance, we will need professional indemnity insurance and the list goes on.  It will cost a fortune to be self certifying.  It will be another case of the honest will be paying. 

What we need to do is get people in the positions where change can be made, ITO, Board and Government if necessary but we need to start somewhere which would be with stopping the Cr*p going on now by way of the regulation review committee and get an action group so big they can't ignore us

Tere is a new nes letter posted now

Keep fighting

Wal

 HI wal
one thing i want to know is as the board and including the legal beagle hazell armstrong the have been proven to be incompetent and working and treating us unlawfully where are they getting there legal advice,as i have allways said you cant trust lhe legal system to help us as they cant understand there legal speak. so what chane have we


P's does anyone know a legal aid lawyer who help me as i want to start my business and not be registered and feel they have no leg to stand on when the board is so unlawful  jd