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Offline Jaxcat

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You will see a link in this week's Fellow Practitioner http://thebexness.com/ 

Well worth going to have a read of this - finally a journalist/blogger who seems to understand how it all fits together.  If you agree with what they say, leave a comment.

Watch out for the AG report - it can't be too far away - will it give the Board an A+ - because if it doesn't then the Minister should play holy hell.  They've had plenty of guidance on what to put right.  Remember the first report was damning - absolutely damning  - will this one be any better?

One can conclude that they have seen a copy of it - and been able to comment on it.  We as an industry should do the same when it comes out.  Not to the AG's office as I am sure they will want to put this one to bed well and truly, but to our new Minister Nick Smith. 

Anyway, be interested to hear what others think after reading this article.


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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 10:49:42 AM »
Hi Jax

Thanks for the link.  I've just read the article and the two comments and feel its all about accountability or should a say lack of it.

I ask the question "when do failures turn into corruption?"  There seems to have been a lot of issues over the period the OAG reported on and over the last four years there have been a whole new set of issues created by the Board. When are they going to report on those issues or do we have to complain to the OAG? 

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 02:49:33 PM »
Hi Watchdog
You are right of course.  It is about accountability.  The problem with the whole thing is that the set of people who can hold the PGDB to account are - the politicians.  Watching their behaviour and grandstanding in the House recently gives me absolutely no hope that they can conduct themselves in any sort of mature manner at all.  And it is this posturing and preening, as if they were some sort of thwarted Hollywood stars, that is leaving us in the shit we are in.  It allows the PGDB to carry on, in what can only be described as a despicable manner, making up the rules as they go, fattening the cow (their salaries and stipends), and looking for new ways to make themselves indispensable.  I believe our industries do need regulating, but I don't believe the PGDB are the people to do it.  They have proved themselves to be inept, acting illegally, not following their own policies, not communicating sufficiently with industry etc etc.  The OAG report was pretty strong - and yet I don't think this follow up one will be anywhere near as strong - mostly because hands were tied.   I hope I'm wrong, really wrong - but I don't think I will be.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 10:12:03 PM »
hi guys, have a read of the OAG report i am sure you will find something in it that you can identify with, cheers
There are two specific additional steps that we recommend the Board take to help
it regain the trust of the industry. It should establish:
• a simple and effective complaints process for trades people who are unhappy
with a particular Board decision or action, so that there is an accessible and
transparent mechanism for getting a prompt review of a decision; and
• an immediate and short-term process for considering and resolving grievances
arising from previous Board decisions that may have wrongly disadvantaged a
tradesperson.
The Board has accepted these recommendations.
Only two(2) What about corruption, making a scapegoat of a tradesman by covering up for mates.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 10:15:59 PM »
hi guys, another part of the report says:-
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In our view, many aspects of the Board’s basic activities had a significant level of
legal risk that the Board does not appear to have been aware of until now.
9.24 When we have raised questions, the Board has had to obtain external expert
advice on these legal issues. There has not been clear internal documentation that
the Board could draw on, setting out when and how policies and practices have
been adopted, and the legal basis for them.
9.25 In our view, it is unsatisfactory that a regulatory authority, which makes decisions
that are significant both for the affected individuals and for public safety more
generally, should operate on such an uncertain legal basis and be so unaware of
the risks that it is taking. We appreciate that no organisation can be totally free of
risk, but we expect that an organisation will consciously manage its risks. We do
not consider that that has been the case here.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 10:18:38 PM »
hi guys, have a look at this part:-
Part 8 – Fees and charges
 cheers

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2014, 09:45:25 AM »
As we have explained in the preceding Parts, we found problems with the way that the Board was performing
nearly all of its functions.

9.2 We spent some time considering this range of problems to identify common themes and any underlying causes. We discuss those themes and causes in this Part. In our view, the main challenges for the Board are:

• to fundamentally change the culture of the organisation – from one that is closed, defensive, and relying on the way it has done things in the past to one that is open and engaged with the changing needs of the sector;

• to develop the Board’s capacity and capability so that it is able to maintain a coherent overview of the emerging challenges for the sector and for its own role, its relationship with other organisations, and the policy issues that affect it;

• to ensure that it puts legality at the heart of everything it does, because at present we consider that it simply does not have a clear enough focus on the requirements of the legislation and administrative law disciplines, and of the legal risk attached to its activities; and

• to produce the comprehensive, clear, and practical policies and procedures that are needed to turn the legislative rules into good administrative processes and to ensure that the decisions made using those processes are consistent and appropriate.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2014, 09:48:56 AM »
Dear Board........I am pretty sure the OAG wanted to stop doing the things mentioned below, to get better by not doing them, not get better at doing them.......by better I of course mean much much worse.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2014, 09:55:15 AM »
The irony of the fact that this report came out just, literally weeks, before an explosion happened unearthing an increase of all of the listed "problems" below.....the Board in light of this report made matters much worse, and shows the total disregard that these people have for the industry and even the very law of this country.

I can not see one thing mentioned in this list of problems that has got better, I can list lots, if not every single one, that has got much worse...............I have the proof and I have provided the proof to the OAG.

So it is going to be very interesting what recommendations the OAG comes up with in its much anticipated report.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2014, 10:14:33 AM »
oh wait there it was well after the explosion, about a year after.....now that is ironic.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2014, 10:49:57 AM »
We also found that the Board’s culture and its poor communication had led to the perception among some in the trade that it was acting vindictively or in bad faith.


I can prove that this is not a perception, but a fact.

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2014, 10:59:28 AM »
Addressing past grievances
9.37 As we discuss elsewhere in this report, we spoke with a large number of plumbers,
gasfitters, and drainlayers who had grievances with the Board. Many of these were
deeply held concerns.
9.38 We appreciate that most organisations receive complaints from people who
are simply unwilling to accept a decision that has gone against them. Not all
complaints have merit. However, in the Board’s situation, we consider it possible
that some grievances may be well founded, and that there are likely to be some
people who have been disadvantaged by poor or possibly unlawful decisionmaking.
The Board should not assume that people who have complained to it are
merely disaffected.
9.39 In our view, the Board needs to find a way to address these grievances. Where
they prove to be well founded, it should consider what can be done to put things
right, so far as possible. Some of the solutions may be very simple, such as
letting a person sit an examination again, waiving a fee for a reconsideration, or
reconsidering a licensing or supervision decision.
9.40 The appeal rights provided under both Acts are subject to limitations on when
proceedings can be filed. These are likely to have passed for all historic grievances,
and these rights will be unavailable. We do not consider that judicial review
proceedings are a feasible option for most of those affected, because of the cost
involved and time for the proceedings to be heard.
9.41 We are concerned that, if the Board does not acknowledge and resolve them,
these past grievances will continue to be discussed in the industry and will fester
as a source of discontent and distrust. The risk is that they will impede the Board’s
progress in rebuilding its reputation and the trust of the industry. The Board might
also otherwise find itself caught in a series of complex and time-consuming
arguments about the rights and wrongs of its past actions.
9.42 Again, there is the potential to send a powerful message about the new Board’s
willingness to hold itself to account and to deal openly and fairly with people, if
there is a systematic attempt to address the needs of people who may have been
wronged in the past.
9.43 The Board told us that it accepts that there is a need to address past grievances,
and that it has begun to talk with individuals with concerns about registration
on a case-by-case basis. The Board’s aim is to consider a workable way forward
for those people, but on the basis that appropriate standards for registration are
still met. The Board has told us that, where it is appropriate to apologise for past
treatment, it will do so.
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Part 9 Our analysis of the problems and possible solutions
9.44 The Board told us that, where it has worked with individuals to date, it has
received positive feedback from the individuals.
9.45 We realise that the Board will not be able to solve all of these problems, or
address every perceived grievance. But we are very pleased with the steps that it
is taking to reconsider what has been done in the past and to apologise and look
for solutions where appropriate. Although these are individual cases, rather than
system-wide solutions, there is huge value in addressing them. We encourage the
Board to continue its efforts.
Recommendation 14
We recommend that the Plumbers, Gasfitters, and Drainlayers Board establish a
simple and effective complaints process for tradespeople who are unhappy with a
particular Board decision or action, so that there is an accessible and transparent
mechanism for getting a prompt review of a decision or action.
Recommendation 15
We recommend that the Plumbers, Gasfitters, and Drainlayers Board establish
an immediate and short-term process for considering and resolving grievances
arising from previous Board decisions that may have wrongly disadvantaged a
tradesperson.



AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......NOW THIS IS FUNNY

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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2014, 11:15:58 AM »
hi guys/Badger, not `Some` but `All` in our trades apart from a few bosses who are master plumber  members and other `wanabees` who have got mates to pull strings for them, cheers
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(We also found that the Board’s culture and its poor communication had led to the perception among some in the trade that it was acting vindictively or in bad faith)


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Re: Interesting Article About the Upcoming Auditor General's Report
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2014, 01:26:00 PM »
The OAG should consider that the explosion happened, 2009, this report was released 2010, and the my kangaroo court and cover up happened in 2011.........the Board, after receiving the OAG recommendations, flipped them the bird and carried on their merry corrupt way.



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