ts you should well know that in principal we are right and to sit there and rub in the fact that the PGDB holds all the cards because they are the goverment is a crap thing to do you may well have rolled over like a good little doggy but try not to smash the dreams of those that still have fight left in them ok let people live there dreams even if you think they are unachieable..in fact you are the whole reason were not getting very far like my boss he does not care enough to do something, when he has the power to do anything...for example as i have stated before TS what would happen if we ALL refused to pay our fees? yea ypou know as well as i do that the goverment would NOT let this be and we would be heard and we would ALL STILL BE PLYING THE TRADE as you well know the govt would NEVER take all of us to court for not being licensed because they would look like douchbags and thats very bad press for them...but the heart of the problem is people like you who have lost the dream!...look im not trying to attack you but if you dont rearly have and constructive critsium then shut ya mouth! because negativity breeds on its self and the way you sound i would guess you being payed by the board to do this!
This is not a personal attack TS its just how i see it no offence intended!.

For as long as there has been a board there have complaints. Are these guys worse than any before?

Actually TS I do believe that the last decade has dished up a huge shift in attitude from the PGDB towards industry.  This began when Mr Routhan became Board chair and Ms Singleton took over as CEO.  There was a palpable change in attitude and I believe this is when the breakdown and disconnect started with practitioners.  Subsequent Board' s have never quite been totally cleared out and so this sort of collective thinking has carried on over the last few Boards.  I believe that the Minister was well aware of this problem and it wouldn't surprise me if Ms Armstrong wasn't appointed to try and remove certain persons and clear the decks for people to move on.  We did eventually see Mr Routhan removed and registrar and then a subsequent Employment Court hearing - which thankfully was resolved without him getting back as Registrar.  I agree there have always been complaints, but you must agree that they have never been at a level they are now.  This Board has an opportunity to bring industry along with them in assisting them to protect the health and safety of the public and yet they continue to lose trust and faith from the very people that 100% fund them.  They used to operate within a reasonable budget in an office in Alicetown Lower Hutt, but the Routhan/Singleton area saw budgets being blown and reserves spent with gay abandon.  A move to the Terrace was teh beginning of some serious empire building.  I believe that something has to give soon - a lot of industry has got behind the Federation who are working through a lot of issues within a very small budget with no staff - i.e. all the work is done by volunteers on top of their day job.  There are a number of irons in the fire including a petition for a commission of enquiry into the governance of the industry.  You sound like you come from a background of working for a council or govt department so you know that these things are never done with any great speed and have to go through many layers of bureacracy - I say watch this space - as Rachael Hunter says - It may not happen over night, but it will happen.

And for the record, I don't mind if you don't agree with me, I enjoy the debate and the opportunity to understand why people think what they do.  It would be a sad and boring world if we all agreed with each other.

hi guys, I am trying to find words for badgers rant but there are no words that can turn back the clock the harm has been done so anything in these posts will not relieve his nightmare so give him some space. cheers

The problems with the Board are at least 15 years old. As for Councils blame the government. Its them that have made all the red tape. Councils enforce a national building code developed by the DBH and the extra hurdles are a direct result of a thing called accreditation which the DBH make the council's' go through. Its like CPD except 100 times worse for no result other than to frustrate inspectors and the tradespeople, neither of whom think the new rules have made buildings get built or plumbed any better.

I've got a set Badger, I've also got brains which is why I'm quietly working through other avenues to bring about change. Your method is simply not working and all it is achiving is alienating yourself and others. You might win the odd battle but your certainly not going to win the war. Fight smarter, not harder and you'll get results if your determined and follow the right process.

TS... I love it when people write me off it gives me more drive, thanks for that. It ain't over mate I haven't even started.

TS... I tried to warn about dodgy certs signing off dodgy work for SIX years , then an explosion happened and someone nearly died, then I was held responsible for exactly what I had tried to warn about,  that persecution has happened for the last THREE years, I have been lied to and lied about, I have had evidence made up and with held, they even sent sick twisted case notes to my home, I have been the focus of a witch hunt, beyond doubt....... In all that time I have tried to and done the right thing, but you know what it is getting real old, real quick.

You have no idea what I have been through. Done by the people who you think are OK. Perhaps I have had enough of doing the right thing.