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Offline robbo

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Phew!
« on: February 19, 2014, 09:18:46 AM »
hi guys, a note from the Board,
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Thank you for taking the time to make a submission on this important issue.   Your input was valued by the Board.

Following consideration of the submissions received, the Board has decided to proceed to seek approval from the Minister for Building and Construction to publish its proposed Gazette notices to make participation in competence reviews as a standard term and condition of all practicing licenses.

However, the Board will not be going ahead with its proposed random competence review programme, that would have involved 150 trades people being reviewed each year.  They were not satisfied that there was sufficient buy in from the industry to make this programme a success.

More information will be published in the next Info Brief published 20 February 2014.

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Tereska Thornton
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Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board



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Re: Phew!
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 11:46:24 AM »
Not Phew! Robbo - they are still proceeding to make participation in a competence review a term and condition of licensing which is extremely unnecessary in my opinion.  The Act already allows them to do competency reviews and there is a process to follow - there is no reason to make a change from what is existing - and the one example they have given for going through this whole process does not stand up to scrutiny i.e. the guy refused participation because THE BOARD didn't follow the proper procedure.

Remember as soon as it is a term and condition of licensing then someone has to pay for any costs associated with it - and that someone is practitioners.  So you could see in 2015 a licence fee that not only has disciplinary and prosecution figures attached to it, but additional costs for competency reviews.

Not going ahead with making random audits a t&c is throwing bones to the dogs - they will undoubtedly bring this in under cover later.  This is not a win for anyone but them.  They have again managed to give themselves more power than the Act intended and yet again will provide more fodder for a challenge to the Regulation Review Committee and the Ombudsman.

Watch and wait for the fireworks!
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 12:04:50 PM »
This wasn't consultation and now they will claim they have listened to the industry but in reality they have only listened to half of what was said and the part they are imposing on the industry is what they wanted - the power to discipline people if they don't do as they are told.

Jaxcat is right that in the near future we will be paying the price either as victims of the system or victims of discipline action. Yet again the process shows the people in the Board have changed but not the attitudes.  I say they can all go get st*ffed.


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Re: Phew!
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 12:36:12 PM »
When you look at it the situation is even worse now where they are still going to make a competency review a term and condition of a license, however instead of a limit of 150 they now can apply it to an unlimited number. 

I think this is the start of the new Chairman laying down the law and forcing compliance. All very well until you run out of people to dictate to.

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 01:28:27 PM »
Watchdog I have no idea why this Board even bothers to go through the charade of "consulting" with practitioners.  It costs a fortune and they never listen.  We could award Oscars for the acting they do.  But who is kidding who?  We'll have to wait for the info brief to get the full bullshit cover - and then OIA requests will no doubt follow to see how the numbers stacked up.


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Re: Phew!
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 06:03:50 PM »
i love the bit ..."They were not satisfied that there was sufficient buy in from the industry to make this programme a success."
 haha @ buy in! what magical wording.i could think of a couple of better words!!!!!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

i am certainly not impressed with the path they are taking and you know exactly what their up too Jaxcat, i also agree, they WILL charge a fee to admin the auditing of cpd, ... they have too, how the hell are they going to be able to afford to pay all those lawyer hanger oners and that flash towers location with out us gas fitters throwing $25 at them every day of our working life!

yet again VERY disappointing in a board who clearly are useless,
wouldnt it be nice to have a board that WE vote in????? based on what WE know are good people, not clowns ( yeah you are reading this clowns) :-\ :-\ :-\
i have been on  national bodies and our members vote us in.... why cant pgdb be the same???
or is that just too simple?? ;)
I believe in doing a job once and right. !

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 06:21:51 PM »
Jax....."It costs a fortune and they never listen". .......when something costs a fortune.....someone gets paid a fortune.....and it justifies their existence.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 07:47:10 PM »
hi guys, yes agree with all but they have to seek approval from the Minister for Building and Construction, I do hope he has swallowed that rubber stamp and choked himself,cheers 

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 07:54:18 PM »
Hi guys,(I have no idea why this Board even bothers to go through the charade of "consulting" with practitioners)  yes agree but it is a condition that they consult with the industry so many times in a year otherwise they wouldn’t even bother.

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 08:04:59 PM »
Hi guys, yes I do agree with all posts but did see a real problem with `random audits` namely just after you attempt to re-license and pay, there was no way that I would have chanced it, of course they will still try to bring it in as a `condition of license` buy that will be the end for me. If they get or are given any more power they might as well be the f-ing government,cheers 

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 10:31:36 PM »
Guys you are all forgetting one thing  ;) they have to get us to buy into actually getting a licence. The attraction of joining the black market in the trade is becoming more attractive with every decision they make to grant themselves more power.

I for one think that the federation had the right idea with the suggestion of withholding our licence fee in protest and see if that brings the message home to them that the industry has had enough of clowns in suits who are so far up there own posterior that they can see daylight from there own mouths every time they speak.

Maybe we also need to lobby the opposition and suggest that in a election year they need to take a interest in what the tradesman have to say and take it to the current government.

Are there any people in the following ministers electorate's?

Labour
Shane Jones Spokesperson for Building & Construction
Raymond Huo Associate Spokesperson for Building and Construction

Greens
Holly Walker  Housing

and we all know who flip flop is for but that would just be a waste of perfectly good oxygen. 
Unless the moral improves the floggings will continue

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2014, 11:41:46 PM »
Shane Jones is, in my opinion, a waste of space.  I don't think he has any integrity at all.  Picture this - an appointment has been made to see him, you turn up 10 minutes early out of courtesy, sign in at Parliament reception desk, they ring through, tell you to take a seat and someone will come and collect you shortly.  As you are standing at reception you see him walk past smiling and talking to a colleague - ahh you think, he must be heading up to his office someone should be down shortly.  10 minutes passes and his PA comes down and says that Mr Jones has been taken ill and the appointment will need to be re-scheduled.  You tell her that this is amazing - and that next time he's going to throw a sickie he might like to re-think the path he walks so that it isn't right past the people he is waiting to see.  She tries to re-schedule and you tell her that if he wants to meet he might need to come out and see you - at a place where real people work.

The guy is full of hot air - I would waste any good foot leather on going to see him ever again. 

Holly from the Greens was quite sympathetic towards practitioners in the restrospective legislation debate - but again not a full grasp on facts - but better than Flip Flop that';s for sure.

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2014, 06:45:02 AM »
Raymond Huo is the person to write to, he has shown a willingness to act and is flip flops opposition, you don't have to be in his electorate to give him a reflection of the crap that is going on and the resentment and frustration within the industry toward this bullshit............but you do need to tell him before he has the bullets to fire, you can even request that he don't tell anyone your name, but ensure your gripe is genuine and truthful.

I will be disputing my licence fee, which as I understand it leaves my current license valid to enable me to work.......until they answer my questions, questions I doubt they will want to/be able to commit to writing.

Remember guys if it happens to one of us, then it could happen to you, so make a stand today, together...........or risk facing a witch hunt on your own tomorrow...hell use my situation as an example, I'll even send you some files as proof of their dodgy witch hunt, just in box me your email and have a connection to handle a 15 MB email....and its yours.

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Re: Phew!
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2014, 09:07:18 AM »
hi guys, politicians will listen it`s their job and they are at work but they all seem to sit on the fence when a decision has to be made so don`t think we will get any joy there, unless john key says it, it will not happen, cheers


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