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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 03:16:04 PM »
hi guy/Plumber, yes here is a few, lol. cheers
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Dear correspondent

On behalf of Hon Steven Joyce thank you for your email.

While the Minister considers all correspondence to be important and all messages are carefully read and considered, it is not possible to provide a personal response to every email which is received. 

Where the Minister has portfolio responsibility for the issues that you have raised, your correspondence will be considered and responded to where appropriate.
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The bill will be referred to a select committee. I suggest you make a submission..

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I am writing on behalf of David Shearer , Leader of the Labour Party,  to acknowledge your email.
Thanks for writing
 
 
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Thank you for your email which I will pass on to David for his information.
 
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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 03:38:32 PM »
Just a thought.

I wonder if Wal gets any replies from his friends in Parliament.   Keep it up Wal I'll still be your friend.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 03:47:54 PM »
hi guys,The Boards web site says,:-
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The Government will attempt to amend the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006 to validate the disciplinary levy and offences fee, and clarify the Board's authority to impose levies.

“It has always been the Government's intention that the Board's prosecution function would be funded by the industry. This is how all other boards in the building and construction sector operate,” Mr Williamson says. (wrong)
The industry benefits from maintaining high standards and stopping unqualified people putting the public at risk (the industry US. provides those standards for the good of the PUBLIC) and taking work from skilled tradespeople. The Board’s prosecution and disciplinary functions play a key role in that process.”


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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 03:57:10 PM »
hi guys, more reply`s,cheers
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Your email has been received, thank you for contacting Tracey Martin MP, Spokesperson for Communications & IT, Education, Research, Science & Technology, Women’s Affairs, & Youth Affairs.

 

I will view your email and take any action as required, as soon as I am able.   Should your message require me contacting you please do include your contact telephone number.

 

Tracey Martin MP

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Thank you for your email. Due to the volume of correspondence received it may not be possible for me to send you a personal response, however you may rest assured that all incoming emails are read, and I will endeavour to respond to all enquiries within my portfolio areas in as timely a manner as possible.

 

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Kia ora,

Thank you for your email. We attempt to respond to all emails we receive.

If the matter is urgent please contact my Executive Assistant Sarah Cole on Sarah.Cole@parliament.govt.nz or 04 817 6764.

 

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Kia ora,

 

Thank you for your email. Because of the very high volumes of messages that I receive, your email may not be responded to immediately.

 

Alternatively, if your email is regarding another Green MP's portfolio, I will forward onto them to respond.

 

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Kia ora,

Thank you for your email. Because I receive a large amount of email correspondence, I can't always respond directly. I will read your message and take any required action as soon as possible. Where appropriate I may pass on your message to one of my colleagues.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 04:10:41 PM »
I got loads of read recipts, but one lady responded straight away and seems a nice person, see below....

Thanks Paul. I remember your case and was very sorry about it. I hope you are recovering.

Thank you for this information. I will read it with interest.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 04:15:13 PM »
Just got my report for the "re-training" that the Board prescribed as my "rehabilitation".....so I sent Max an email just today...corrupt and nepotistic tossers got to go, no credabiltiy and I know what people I know call those that take money illegally.... theives.



Max,

 

Please see copy of the report, which I passed with a 90% pass rate. You will notice it is an assessment. I didn’t study for it either. The assessor actually said I was in the top 10% of people he had ever assessed.

 

Now when you add this to my 95% innocence at the Board’s kangaroo court, presided over by Stephen Parker (GANZ, Kennedy trust, NZIGE) who is the good friend of Tony Hammond, also of GANZ, Kennedy trust, NZIGE and actually nominated for the co-authorship of the contradictory NZ5261 by GANZ. The same kangaroo court attended by Allan Bickers on the panel who is a member of IPENZ along with Mr Hammond. And with the British Standard blowing the other 5% of charges out the window, which was ignored by the Board’s panel, where the only other certifying gasfitter in the room was the Board’s Scottish member Mr Hardie. You got to admit that the Board got it so very wrong.

 

Do you Allan Bickers feel I lack knowledge in the fundamentals of my trade? I think you should review your course on the “role of the expert witness”,look at conflicts of interest for example and perhaps ethics.

 

Well I don’t know how you feel about it all, but I feel a bit miffed by the Board’s mis-spending of $200 000.00 to persecute me (using illegally gained funds) and ignoring some real important issues that were raised at my hearing….and still you haven’t looked at these issues or investigated them. Isn’t fraud an offence? I tried to warn about all this years before the explosion.

 

How do you rate the Board’s competency Max? Some CPD in ethics might not be a bad idea.

 

 

This is far from over for me, I have only just started trying to get this looked at, I asked you a long time ago Max, are you willing to fall on your sword for the wrong doings of your predecessors?

 

Now, do us all a favour….. so I can run an advert so as I can feed my family. Just two questions for you Max……

 

 

Where is my apology for the defamatory letters sent by that incompetent Kern Uren, the ones that ruined my business, it has been months and months since Helen Cull found in my favour?
 

 

Can I uplift my licences this year? Yes or No. You have all you need for an answer right in front of you, in this email. As you like to rush things along, as in what the Board have done to legalise their illegality, I can expect an answer in the morning?
 

 

Oh by the way…… every one I have asked, and there are a lot, politicians included, have without exception said that the Board’s views on the ethics behind sending child sexual abuse case notes to my home, unmarked so as my wife read them, well deplorable and despicable and nothing short of warped…..one said he was surprised I hadn’t gone postal over it. I just replied that I never would because of my wife.

 

See you at the public enquiry.

 

 

Paul Gee Plumbing & Gas Ltd


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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2013, 04:16:58 PM »
I sent it to Bickler to....heil Bickler

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2013, 04:35:40 PM »
News Flash  A very informative ending.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A bus ride into New York City turned into a horror show for passengers suddenly swarmed by an invasion of cockroaches that forced the driver to pull over and evacuate the vehicle.

Cockroaches began emerging about 15 minutes after the bus departed from Atlantic City, New Jersey, last Friday morning, a  spokesman said.

The driver soon pulled over and the 48 passengers scuttled off the infested bus to wait for a replacement vehicle.
Cell phone photos showing armies of cockroaches scampering over the seats and floor were posted by local media outlets, supplied by passengers on the bus.

"We apologise for this inconvenience and have spoken with each passenger regarding this incident," Tim Plunger, a spokesman for a the bus company said.

"Currently, our team is investigating the situation. We can inform our valued customers it was not cockroaches but Maurice Williamson and the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board from New Zealand attempting to escape extermination in their own country. New Zealand MAF has been contacted regarding its lapse of security protocols.

The company said it had refunded the passengers' fares and that they arrived without further incident in New York City in the afternoon.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2013, 07:55:26 PM »
hi guys,more replys, blah,blah,blah,cheers
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Thanks for your comment,

Tis sort of retrospective legislation is unusual as it lets an organisation which has done something wrong get off scot-free. The select committee process is a chance for those who are disenchanted with the PGD Board to express their views about the situation. I urge you to make a submission and come along and have your say.

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Thank you for your email.  I will pass your message on to Mr Peters for his information.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2013, 10:13:15 PM »
hi guys, part of the master plumbers submssion of the boards fees review dated. 9.october 2012.
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When compared to EWRB, the PGD Board’s personnel costs appear out of balance at $1,324.121 as at 31st March 2012, compared with $1427, 000 for EWRB. If this is calculated against the number of practitioners, the PGD Board spent $104 per practitioner, with EWRB spending $34.00
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full submission attached

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2013, 06:09:44 AM »
From the NZ herald....

But it argues the legislation is necessary. Otherwise industry regulator the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board would face financial ruin, leaving consumers at the mercy of unregistered and unscrupulous operators


And who let it get that far? who didn't act months and months ago? who tried to ignore the law?......same bloke who is now going to make what is illegal, legal..... and bail out his incompetent charges, because if he don't he looks bad, well I think that horse done a runner about the time he stood by and watched these clowns try to hold on to their tax dodge of being a charity....you couldn't make this shit up....clowns.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2013, 06:27:19 AM »
Does Williamson think hes smarter tan the Ombudsman?  From NZ Herald today:

Williamson snubs OmbudsmanBy Adam Bennett Email Adam 5:30 AM Tuesday Mar 19, 2013

Building and Construction Minister Maurice Williamson has thumbed his nose at public watchdog the Ombudsman by refusing to refund hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegally gathered industry levies to plumbers and other tradespeople.

Mr Williamson is already under fire for fast-tracking legislation to retrospectively legalise the collection of the money which was used by industry regulator the Plumbers Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board to chase "cowboys" out of the industry.

But on Friday, the day after Mr Williamson's bill was fiercely debated in Parliament, Ombudsman David McGee released his final opinion and recommendations on a complaint he received about the board's "disciplinary levy".

Mr McGee upheld Wellington plumber Wal Gordon's complaint that the fee was illegal and he estimated the amount illegally collected by the board between July 2010 and January 2012 at $600,000.

Mr McGee recommended that the board should negotiate an arrangement "whereby the excess levies paid could in whole or in part be refunded over a period or some credit could be given in respect of future fee or levy payments in compensation".

But Mr Williamson yesterday dismissed Mr McGee's recommendation.

"I think the Ombudsman's Office is wrong. The board would be technically insolvent if they had to pay this money back," he said.

By Adam Bennett

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2013, 06:39:06 AM »
But Mr Williamson yesterday dismissed Mr McGee's recommendation.

"I think the Ombudsman's Office is wrong. The board would be technically insolvent if they had to pay this money back," he said.


So if you need the money, you can take it illegally....and ignore the top lawyers of the land......Maurice you are a clown.

So if I use Maurice Williams take on all this, when the Board ruined my business with defamatory letters that implied that I had issued certs illegally, in a place I had never even been to.....well I could go rob a bank or burgle someones house....because I needed the f****ing money.....but I didn't because I for one respect the law of the land.....utter cock.

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Re: The Board getting a break?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2013, 07:31:08 AM »
Williamson's opinion doesn't surprise me - he is backed in to a corner - he's defended this Board time and again when they have made mistakes - he is as invested in them as they are in him - he has no where to go but to fight for them - that or he looks like a failure.  Well if it quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck - 99% of the time it's a duck.

Big call Mr Williamson to say the Ombudsman got it wrong.  And the RRC got it wrong too?  How about the OAG - wrong as well?  My goodness just as well we have you in Parliament looking after us or where would we all be - because for some strange reason we think you got it wrong - and the rest of these learned people - coupled with some astute plumbers - got it righ

Proposal for the next TUI ad board -

Minister Williamson:  The Ombudsman got it wrong!  YEAH RIGHT
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2013, 08:41:05 AM »
Jax, when you list all the people who have got it "wrong", in Maurice's eyes anyway.........well its astounding....

How many influential/educated people is he going to offend just to protect his baby......see ya Maurice. 8)

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