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Offline bennyjayy

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Starting a plumbing bussiness
« on: September 03, 2012, 09:50:40 PM »
Hi I am a newly Licensed plumber & drainlayer with about 5 years of trade experience. I have basically overseen 3 other tradesman for the last year in my current firm and have become quite over it. I realize this is not within my duties but to be honest my boss an I both know I tend to instruct, plan, communicate and keep the guys working more effectively. The guy's are very good tradesman in there own right an I have no problems with them at all. My problem is time which I tend to not have. My phone rings more than my bosses an I go from one big job to the next... My pay is ok but I would like to go out on my own as i believe I would have less stress and better income. My client base without intruding on my boss is very decent. My biggest concern is just being licensed. I'm sure I could get by on non permitted work (Also do roofing, woodburners) but does this effect my 2 years it takes to become certified (plus exam obv)? I talked to one of the main plumbing inspectors and he thinks I should go for it but would love to hear from experienced plumbers within the community.

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I Have the knowledge, support and skills to start my own plumbing business but currently only a newly licensed plumber/drainlayer. Thoughts?

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 04:27:46 AM »
I take it at the moment your boss is the certifying plumber/drainlayer on your licence.  You must have a supervisor according to the Act as licensing works at the moment, so this means if your boss isn't willing to be your supervisor when you go out on your own (and I'm picking he probably won't want to be because you will become competition for him, plus the risk for him with no reward is too great).  This means that you need to have a supervisor.  Even if you do what you call non permitted work, all it will take is a complaint to the PGDB and you are facing a prosecution for working without supervision.  Remember that complaint could come from a customer, your former boss, or anyone else in the plumbing community who knows that you are not a certifier but are working out on your own in competition to them.  While this may seem unfair to you, others that have done the time, and passed the exams and are incurring all the costs involved in that i.e. upskilling, maintaining their certifying status, ensuring that the provide supervision to their own staff etc. cannot compete with you in the marketplace when you do not have those costs.

Legally anyone can start a plumbing business, BUT you must have a certifier overseeing you and so without one, you run a huge risk.  Only you can judge if that is worth it or not.  My advice is to knuckle down and do the study to sit your Certifying exams in plumbing and drainlaying and then once you have served the two years, apply for the status and go out on your own then. 

I note you said you had a pretty decent customer base outside of your bosses - remember that if you are perking without your "supervisor" being aware then you can also be prosecuted for that - plus you will have no cover by any sort of public liability insurance.   All good until something goes wrong.  Speaking of insurance, you would need to check if your customers would be covered if you went out on your own and were not working in accordance with the 2006 Act i.e. without the supervision.    Just some food for thought for you.
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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2012, 07:23:12 AM »
Cheers Jax some great food for thought. Does anyone know if it would effect my being able to sit my certifying exam? As for my customer base has mainly just been small plumbing, roofing and fire installations. Anything bigger was done under my bosses ticket an I imagine he would be happy for that to continue as we have a good relationship but I will suss that out today. I have told him I'm considering leaving and he has changed from being gutted to some what supportive. He has offered me a decent pay rise but I'm sure I would do better on my own. Some scary risks to consider though. 

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2012, 07:30:33 AM »
Ok Benny
Yes you can start your own plumbing business thats the easy bit but you will need a certifier that is willing to keep an eye on you and sign off your work. there is no law that says they must work for you though.

Im not really sure if you quite have it right though thinking you will have less stress and more money you will be working the entire time you are awake if not on the tools you will be pricing and invoicing,taxes etc and I would do some courses on small business management before even considering the step out alone. It is very common for an employee to think that they can do it better but dont see all the behind the scenes work.Also you say roofing work which will now come under LBP so you will need to be a licenced roofer to do that to.

If I was you I would
Sit your certifing Exams as soon as possible you dont have to wait to sit
find a good small business course that outlines your legal requirements as a business owner
And would suggest that you also do some study around QS to get the basics on pricing and claiming as per the building code/act

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 05:36:12 PM »
Some great suggestions 007 thanks for your input. I was under the impression I had to wait 2 years from being a Licensed plumber to sitting my certifying exam. Will be a big bonus if not. I'm very aware of my limitations and strengths. The small business course sounds like a great idea.

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 10:17:59 PM »
You can sit your certifying exams any time you like, but you can't pick up the certifying status until two year's after the date you became registered.  Many guys sit their exams in the two year period post registration and then pick up the qualification straight away.  Another way to ease into working for yourself, but staying legal is to perhaps talk to your current boss about contracting to him where you have some autonomy but get to gradually work into your own business.  You have all the perks of tax write offs, you have to provide your own tools, vehicle, insurances etc, but some sureity of work.  Perhaps then he would be happy to be your supervisor for the few jobs you do for your own customers.  Worth a thought - we've had a few of our staff work their way into their own businesses doing this.

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 07:07:50 AM »
sorry didnt make hat clear you do still need to wait the 2 years to become certifing but you can sit the exam anytime once you are registered lincenced plumber

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2012, 08:59:03 AM »
Anyone who signs your ticket willhave to acknowledge you in some way to their insurance company. If they don't and you inadvertantly cause a problem, his insurer won't want to know you and neither will yours. The homeowners insurer will go after you for damages. Just imagine the worst case scenario and ask yourself if you can pay out $20k for someone elses bathroom or kitchen. I can promise you this is not my imagination.

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2012, 10:19:58 AM »
Agree with that Wombles - often a point overlooked by those supervising when they take into account their responsibilities - and simply "assumed" by those working under them..

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2012, 04:22:04 PM »
If that scenario actually happened to you, you can bet that someone ewould compain to the PGDB and if you were licensed you would go thru the boards disciplinary proceedings and that farce would cost you another $10k

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 07:10:55 AM »
Not tottally true over the insurance guys I have seen this many times as long as you are registered with the board the only time where this is an issue is if someone was signing off gas work for you then they would need to declare that as they are taking full responsibility for your work. I would suggest benny that you go talk to an insurance broker

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 02:23:45 PM »
I don't doub what you say at all to2b007, but how many of these guys have ruined someones house and then tried to claim? Thats when the  problems start.

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Re: Starting a plumbing bussiness
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2013, 04:54:43 AM »
Go along with that will Wombles : normally a point forgotten by these supervising if they consider the obligations : and just "assumed" by these operating below these.


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