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robbo · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2014, 10:57:04 AM »

hi guys, because they are competing with plumbers suppliers such as Mico and Plumbing World. I buy quite a bit of stuff from Bunning's because it is cheaper than using my trade account at Mico even with trade discount. You can buy from Bunning's where the price is inclusive of G.s.t. and pay with your credit card if you choose and gain buying points for yourself. My account at Mico was brilliant before Fletchers took it over, i could get `Trade Edge 'points on all of my purchases if i settled my account on or before the 20th of month, i could also pay with my credit card to gain other purchasing points. Firstly they put a charge on paying by credit card, then they made the rule of only $2000 or more a month would qualify for `Trade Edge 'points. So now i purchase wherever i can get a good discount and pay my Mico account at the end of the month. I believe that even more discount can be gained at Bunning's if you have an account there, cheers

AlCan · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2014, 08:50:51 AM »

Hi robbo,

Thanks for the lowdown on competitive pricing a la Bunnings etc.

However, I think you kind of missed my point. Here on this forum, plumbers jump all over people who admit to doing "illegal" plumbing, as demonstrated in this thread. And yet, Mitre 10, Bunnings and all the rest are legally permitted to sell all the plumbing stuff imaginable, to all and sundry, no questions asked, no warnings given. How many of those people get plumbers to install the stuff they buy? Not too many, I would bet. How many plumbers appreciate being given labour only jobs, because the customer has gone out and bought the materials themselves? Chances are, it's not even the correct or optimal choice of materials.

So what I'm saying is that the law is really a complete ass, because on the one hand it (apparently) says even fitting a toilet seat without being an authorised plumber is illegal (how ridiculous is that?), but on the other hand, it says to the general public, "You are welcome to go out and buy WHATEVER plumbing materials you want." Where does it say in the plumbing aisles at Bunnings etc that it is Trade-only, and unlawful to install any of these materials unless you are a plumber? Where does it warn people that their insurance will quite possibly be invalid in installed by a layperson? It doesn't. But of course, every member of the public buying plumbing materials is only buying them as ornaments and conversation pieces, right!?

There would likely be a legal argument in favour of customary practice, which says that if the public can go and buy whatever plumbing stuff they want without question, then it could be assumed that they are permitted to install it.

For example, just try going down to any chemist shop and asking for some bulk pseudo-ephedrine, some arsenic or sulphuric acid and see how you get on. Or go to a Dental Supply company and try buying a dental tool. Hell, in this country, we can't even buy Lugol's solution any more.

In my assessment, the Plumbing-related laws, rules and regulations are a complete shambles in this country. There are huge gaps on one side, and over-regulation on the other. There needs to be more of a balance, and more consistency, wouldn't you agree?

bowtieboy · « **Reply #17 on:** September 03, 2014, 06:12:46 PM »

i agree ALCAN, but frankly, the pgdb and government dont give a rats arse. we get to deal with the mess every day and these powers that govern us do didly sqwat !
why bother even worrying about it? they don't, why should we? they make the rules, we jump through THEIR hoops so we can work legally.
so the attitude to take is, wtf.
we are just pgdb monkeys. !!!!

i personally will look after my family before i would stick my neck out to complain about a diy job now! pgdb burnt me on that one some ten years ago.
just my opinion

AlCan · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2014, 10:47:37 PM »

Roger that!

Keep your head down and carry on. Will heed your advice.

Cheers

Rodza1 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 02, 2014, 06:31:38 PM »

Hi, Alcan,

I agree with your comments. Noone has ever said plumbing/gas/drainage was a professional trade requiring licenses and qualifications...but the govt did!! yet they fail to handle the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sales happening monthly of consumers buying their own materials and carrying out their own work. I have seen so much of it it makes me really wonder what is going on. Ive fixed up work in quite frankly almost every situation imaginable over the years, some out right dangerous, some just stupid and laughable but I feel that you are correct in stating their is over regulation in one area and lack of it on the other side of the fence.

The phrase "dont pay someone else to do it!" when you can "do it yourself " is very misleading. I personally pay the plumbers gasfitters drainlayers board $553 dollars per year for levys and fees not including the continued professional development courses I must attend to prove to the board I am still competent which can raise the cost as high as $2k annually,yet they preach to me that I must play my part. Thats fine, and I play my part the best I can but who is playing the part of informing the big box stores that they are obligated to inform their customers that they are at risk of a monetary fine for breaching govt legislation for having a crack themselves? The answer is no one, the governing board can throw a few ads in some papers, preach to trades people through national plumbing magazines and sit back and claim their part is played and its up to us.

its a crazy world we live in with ministers that probably smoke crack and skull whiskey on a daily basis. as others have said, i dont say too much as the board will no doubt hammer me personally for god only knows what. in my time in this industry ive seen and heard too much.... probably get hung out to dry on someone elses dodgy gas installation for even commenting on this haha.

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