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location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:00:07 AM »
hi

our house design located the 400l HWC about 2 meters from the wet back - 20 kw boiler sold locally. The intention being so we could use this for a storage unit for the u/f system. On installation i was advised that the HWC would not fit in the cupboard (too big) as intended so placed directly above the fireplace. i was also told that this would be more efficient? What we are now experiencing is "hammer action" and a fair bit of venting. This venting does not do the PVC down pipes any good! i would have thought that some form of expansion allowance should have been considered; i base this on my exposure to geothermal pipe work.

also what would be the recommended size of feed pipe to the manifold which is located in the cupboard where the cylinder should have been?

can anyone help!!

Chrs Gordon

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2012, 11:55:57 AM »
hi,sounds like you are stoking the fire up too much,cheers

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2012, 10:23:23 PM »
Yes gordon - maybe it should have an expansion/header tank set-up where exhaust/vent discharges to the expansion/header tank - saves water as well

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 08:50:28 AM »
Thanks Guys - this mode of feedback is very useful.

In response to the stoking no we are a long way off from over stoking. I have connected a temp probe & controller which is set to the turn the under floor circ pump on and off at set temperatures. This way we don’t use electricity for reheating when the floor heating is on. We generally average about 65° - 70° with the fire reasonably stoked. That's the plan anyway!

What I never mentioned is that we are rural so we have a pump. I downloaded the ‘typical example...’ of wet back installations from this web site; I think that we perhaps use a PRV as opposed to an expansion tank may be an issue? Perhaps the PRV is surging water in and causing the hammer action we can hear; the header tank maybe a “smoother” fill?

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2012, 08:01:54 PM »
gordon, post a picture of the cylinder and the wet back pipe work, it sounds like to me that the pipes from the wet back to the cylinder may be your cause of the noise and over flowing of the open vent on the roof.but  a picture say a thousand words  :D
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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 01:37:42 AM »


What I never mentioned is that we are rural so we have a pump. I downloaded the ‘typical example...’ of wet back installations from this web site; I think that we perhaps use a PRV as opposed to an expansion tank may be an issue? Perhaps the PRV is surging water in and causing the hammer action we can hear; the header tank maybe a “smoother” fill?


no - the water hammer you hear is most likely due to 1/ insufficient rise/fall on the pipework directly out of the wetback 2/ incorrectly installed wetback ie not enough rise/fall on wetback itself - or - 3/ the fact the hwc is located above the fire and therefore a lot of head acting on the wetback resulting in steaming prior to convection taking place

hwc venting is due to expansion in system - if it is constantly discharging then there may be issue with prv or standing water level in system is incorrectly set

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 12:49:39 PM »
Obvious question - was this installed by a licensed plumber and if so have you asked them to come back and have a look?  Might pay to.
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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 04:09:17 PM »
hi guys, my thoughts exactly Jax no one would put in that system if they were not sure of what they were doing! would they, it would be far too risky, here`s hoping,cheers

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 02:51:17 PM »
hi all, there have been several replies since i was last on the site - much appreciated.

 bowtieboy - i will take a snap and post for a look at. i need to get into the roof for some other work.

the install was done by a licensed plumber so i hope he knew what he was doing. we did have other issues which were directly related to him - so the jury is still out!

based on 'integrated' questions what i have done is ask another  plumber to come and have a look so i will certainly mention your thoughts. Much appreciated guys.

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Re: location of the HWC in respect to the wet back
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 09:54:25 PM »
Gordon you can verify if the person was a licensed plumber by visiting www.pgdb.co.nz - under the public section you can check licences and simply enter the name of the person - you will see what licences they hold.  If they are licensed, then they should have had a certifier providing direction who should have come on site at the time of testing.  Did you see this person, if not do you know who they are?  Did you ask to see the card of the person who installed the system.  I am always in favour of going back to the installer and talking the issues through rationally - they need to remedy any problems so that you get what you asked for - a working, safe system.  If the person is a member of a professional body then you may have recourse through that.  Of course you can get a second opinion which is what it seems like you are doing, but have you gone back to the original installer?  One good place to start is to contact the manufacturer of the system and see who they recommend in your area for installations.


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