hi guys
well here in the middle of the north island a business who has a name that is part of a big group has just sacked all of its part trained and trained staff due to over head cost  and has kept on its un trained staff  they only have one craftsman and he cant possibly be watching all his trainee staff who do maintenance like fitting taps DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WILL GO A CHECK THERE WORK    like the tui advert YEAH RIGHT

and what about those staff where can they work now  no where  ideas

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hi guys
well here in the middle of the north island a business who has a name that is part of a big group has just sacked all of its part trained and trained staff due to over head cost  and has kept on its un trained staff  they only have one craftsman and he cant possibly be watching all his trainee staff who do maintenance like fitting taps DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WILL GO A CHECK THERE WORK    like the tui advert YEAH RIGHT

and what about those staff where can they work now  no where  ideas

well technically they only need to have had exempt/limited license for two yrs to work unsupervised if not then they are working illegally - if you can get names then they can be checked on public registry for time served on whatever license

this is why limited and exempt licenses need to join the dodo - this above will become common place in the near future - as a business manager/owner why would you employ many craftsman/certifying plumbers when in reality all that is needed is one, then employ a heap of labourers/unskilled peoples at a lower wage rate who you dont have to upskill to relicense to do the bulk of workload?

exemptions need to go - every licensed person should be as such a trainee/apprentice, registered/licensed or craftsman/certifying - hell you could even get rid of the licensed/registered part - and I dont give two hoots about the "journeyman" who has never bothered to sit the reg exam - its a lazy cop-out and a loophole that has been taken advantage of for way too long!!

Are you a craftsman JD24?

hi termite
Im a overseas plumber and gas engineer with 18 years experience my 2 businesses had 3300 customers and i trained 3 apprentices who now run there own businesses in the UK so yes im more than a craftsman
and the auditor generals office said i should have been given craftsman status and the way we were treated by the plumbers board was unlawfull
cheers JD

hi guys/termite, don`t get into a "i`m better than you" slanging match, that is the very "divide and conquer" scenario that the board would love to see. J.D. is probably more qualified than you or me, it is the pdgboard system that has not allowed his quals to be reconised, they do the country no favour with their hard arse attitude, time will tell, cheers 

I dont doubt your experience Jd.  Im just not keen on letting recently qualified apprentices run there own businesses. there is no reason why you can't run your own business you just need a certifying P/G/D to lift/sign off permits/certs etc or words/actions to that effect... you probably already know that.     
   Its just like a Fishing Boat skipper needs a engineering ticket or crew member to have an engineers ticket to leave port.  If you start letting deck hands skipper the boats someone will get in trouble and may even get seriously hurt/die.  Bla Bla Bla u get my point.

About the board, wt can i say? lies yes. non committal - YES.  Not prepared to put names and signatures to what they say.....frustrating and dam rite rude and well out of order. 

CPD points - Im not too fussed with CPDs.  I guess they are inconveniant at times, but relatively easy to obtain. The relavance
 of some points are questionable, the cost can be questionable, but my employees pay for mine and my co-workers so that is good of them.  The cost is handed down.  As mentioned, I have recently finished my plumbing  study for exams etc... so am pretty fresh on the study side, so im up to play so to speak on terms, phrases, jargon, industry etc....

I have heard a few arguments for and against CPDs, most gripes come from the older gen of P/G/Ds because thay have to use there brain in a different way than they are used too, and actually get off there arse.  (More than likley these older gentlemen should prob be the ones taking the CPD courses).  But mostly they are to busy moaning to see an oportunity knocking at the door and looking at other practitioners answears just to get the points.

Realistically, you gain your experience and development through your work and the leadership which is provided from your manager, assistant manager, mentors and those who are leaders in there chosen fields.   I get CPD points, but im not getting them because its developing me in a professional manor, im getting them so hopefully i can one day self certify my plumbing.  And this paper trail ie.CPDs hopefully will lead to that.



Sorry went off track a wee bit.
discussion is a great thing.....

oportunity for those experienced in the trade(s)to be the ones who can run and give CPD points out and cash in on them, and also provide trade specific training on their skills and experiance to other practitioners who may otherwise not have the opportunitys to undertake regular work in certain areas of the trade, thus expanding knowledge etc to others in a positive manor.  rather than points being given for attending trade road shows for example.

Self Certification - I agree that we would be open to and at the mercy of the board if a succesful complaint was laid, as it stands it would appear we already are at the mercy of the board, whether we self certify or not.  How well has the gas self certification gone?  Was this implemented to clean up the industry in the best interests of public saftey? Or was it because who else could certify the amount of gas work that is undertaken?

I do agree that we need a Board which stands by there word and works with, not against the practioners, which without us wouldnt exist.

the only way I see the existing board thrown out/change would be Solidarity between all P/G/D and boycot the fees/levies etc....
 

Termite/JD/guys - I don't believe boycotting fees or levies is a viable decision.  Unless you could guarantee 100% of industry would do this then you could and would put yourself in a situation where you are working illegally.  The area of concern we have with the Board is that they are working illegally.  Two wrongs do not a right make.  The petition that the Federation is calling for is a legal yet forceful tool and I believe we should exhaust every legal means possible to deal with this Board.  I do not agree with or condone working without a licence - it is the one thing we have fought against to protect our industry for a long, long time.