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Should Anyone be able to sell Gas Appliances on Trade Me?

Yes
9 (27.3%)
No
5 (15.2%)
Only registered companies should sell Gas Appliances and Plumbing Ware
14 (42.4%)
Gas Appliances should only be supplied to the public by Certifying Gas Fitters
5 (15.2%)

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Offline Thunderhead

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2012, 09:20:49 AM »
Have you asked them Thunder?

havent bothered Jaxcat because you and I both know that the answer would go something like...Sorry we have no jurisdiction over who sells what to whom and what the intended use is for, Why would we risk getting a bad public face when it is much eaiser to justify our existance by continually attacking those compentant time proven tradesmen out there, Look we know that untrained plublic members doing illegal plumbing/gas/drainage work presents the MOST risk to the health and safety of other members of the public but we beleave were only here to regulate you time proven compentant tradesmen EVEN THOUGH we steal money off you in the form of an posecutions fee which not used in any way or form to regulate you trained professionals, infact we fritter away this money and your licensing money so we can justify another fee increase in the near future...and the main reason we dont chase untrained illegal homehandy men is because were too damb lazy!

Thats aroundabout how it would go eh jax lol

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2012, 09:21:58 AM »
why do you think they pushed for self certification in the first place....ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY is on the gas fitter. Big business, big profits...no responsibility.....nice work if you can get it.
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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2012, 05:03:06 PM »
If I had my way I would stop all these companys like Mitre 10 or Bunnings selling plumbing fittings and pipe etc, the Mitre 10 closest to me even loans out a dux crimping tool!!

If they can sell fittings and pipe to the general public it makes it easier for cowboys to go and carry out sanitary plumbing which is what we were trained to do and it keeps us out of a job,

ok yeah so it might be cheaper there but it wont be a professional job!!!

Offline Jaxcat

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2012, 05:21:25 PM »
Roberto - write to the PGDB and tell them that the Mitre 10 lends out a crimping tool - they will write to the Mitre 10 - they do take this seriously and will use it as an exercise to educate them about the regulated trade.  It is worth the effort and the cost of a stamp - or better still email them and provide the name and address of the Mitre 10 store.
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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2012, 10:54:27 PM »
Geez id like to know which mitre 10 loans out a crimping tool. thats bulls*it, they sell everything these days.eventually stores like mitre10 will reign supreme,every1 else selling a trade product will go out of business. And now their giving away our work too by lending out professional tools? Is there anything they wont get try on??   i am disappointed we have to purchase licenses yet i see untrained and definitely not competent people doing work everywhere i bloody look.
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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2012, 11:32:33 PM »
And....... (this is not a bad joke but the state of affairs) .......as of March 2013 able to print their own certificate...with no third party register......or gas suppliers copy......until you need an investigator, to look into the "incident" at over $100 an hour with all expenses paid, flights and nice hotels while touring our fabulous country. Nice work if you can wangle it to your favour.

Offline robbo

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2012, 10:09:09 AM »
hi guys/badger, nothing wrong with printing own certs as long as we have inspectors to inspect first,cheers

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Re: Gas Appliances and Trade Me
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2012, 10:31:24 AM »
I totally agree, lets have every job inspected and signed off by an impartial 3rd party ....but it isn't that way.

How would they know what to check, inspect, audit?? It will just be between the customer and the certifying gasfitter, all under the radar.

It will empower the dodgy guys to work unimpeded & undetected and those that shoulder their responsibilities take more of it on. We had a system that had 4 copies retained, 3 of which were carbon copies, with hand writting and a signature..... that is now halved to 2 with no 3rd party records all "signed off" with an electronic pass word. It has been totally messed up by the previous Boards of the last 10 years and going to be even more messed up if they do this.

You will only know about a problem, after the problem.

It is not the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, but the hearse. It will never work as it is proposed, it isn't well thought out. And again it will be those at the coal face who will have to put up with the cost, hassle, flak and fall out.


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