hi guys,i believe it would be very difficult to stop anyone from selling gas appliances privately. To prevent the sales on trade-me you would have to stop trade-me from listing them, the problem with buying from an auction is that you are not covered by the consumers gaurantee act, once the auction has started that is,if you use the BUY-NOW price then you will be covered,cheers

We have had some shockers with second hand appliances - cracked heat exchangers, rusty flues and heaters - its real buyer beware stuff.  We get phone calls about appliances prior to people purchasing and always give them some guidelines about questions to ask - but essentially they need to ask themselves why the person would be selling it - usually because it is old, there is something wrong with it or you can't get parts any longer.  I do have to say that we have installed a Vulcan Wall Furnace purchased off TM for a customer.  It was sold by a school who were refurbishing and purchasing energy savers.  The heater was in prime working condition and was a real bargain for the customer, however I think these examples are rare.  I believe Rinnai are selling appliances on Trade Me (of old stock) and probably some of the second tier merchants may well be too.  Tradesmen in business for themselves are undoubtedly doing it as well.  There is one guy who was/is selling Rheem HWC at dirt cheap prices - we only became aware of it when a customer queried our price and gave us the website to visit - stuff was being sold very cheaply - and he was using the merchants freight service to send it to consumers around the country.

It's a dog eat dog world out there! 

Hard one to say...but in respect to public safety...like cars...gas appliances should be sold as fit for purpose or in running order...and if not then should be sold...as is /where is, needs wof...maybees people who intend to sell gas appliances need to wof that appliance before sale in the name of public safety?? or at least state when the last service was done on the appliance which means a new avenue for gasfitters issuing servicing reports on appliances...its like if you use electric tools on a big building site the gear must be inspected and tagged by a sparky every 6mts/year? the same should apply for ALL gas appliances or gas fixtures to be reinspected every year for safety reasons??

But i cant see anything like that happening soon....so buyer beware!.

i dont think that she will be able to get her money back unless they agreed on a warranty where the seller can replace the item. Maybe the seller has the manual on how to set up the fire place.







davewilliams of Denver Plumbing

i dont really agree with the general public buying gas appliances but with nz being so small it is proberly the only way to bring the prices down we should make our money on our expertise and not the appliances we sell, example is a radiator 20 pounds in the uk 200 dollers here  this just stops us making our markets bigger ie heating  hand basin in uk 30 pounds  $300 here


so i suppose what im saying is we want to open up our markets but  not allow our labour rates to go down  but to increase

^^^ I agree^^^


what needs to happen is that any appliance that is imported needs to meet relevent NZ std - if it does not then it should not be allowed into the country

look at it this way explosive material will only be sold to the right person with the right qualifications to prove that they can safely handle this product to the letter of the law...the same should apply with drainage/gas and plumbing products it/they should only be sold to the right person with th e right qualifications that state that that person knows(and is lawfully qualified)to handle that product...just look at mitre10/placemakers/mitre10mega for example they sell tooless pushfit SANITARY plumbing systems and these ARE ONLY marketed at the ILLEGAL home handy man BECAUSE no respectiable plumber would ever use a push fit system behind closed walls...and the same goes for gas fittings and drainage pipe...The question i ask is WHY the hell are these stores able to sell these crap(push fit) systems AIMED ONLY at the home handy man when it is unlawful for the home handyman to undertake this type of work...where the hell is the PGDB when you need them they should be putting pressure on the govt to stop the marketing of these products to joe public in the name of joe publics safety!

hi guys, the Board will and can never stand in the way of big business,cheers