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Offline TS

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My idea for upskilling
« on: May 22, 2011, 01:47:19 PM »
Hi all,

Spoke to a friend who is an electrician. To maintain his license he has to go to a refresher evening once every two years at the local polytech. Changes in regulations and a small amount of essential technical stuff is covered. He also has to maintain a first aid qualification, one that is specifically designed for electricians and the type of first aid situations they'd deal with.

What is wrong with this. This is the type of upskilling we should be promoting. I feel a letter to the Minister coming on pointing out how it works in the electrical trade. I see them as comparable to us.

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 05:59:04 PM »
And their licence fee is only $92.00 and hasn't gone up in over a decade.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 06:37:12 PM »
Yeah the sparkies have got it easy , I have a associated tradesperson licence , I have to attend a refresher course every two years , The  thing is, I am on the same course as fully qualified electricians ,  the main focus is on safety & testing  , the first aid part is very  intense , I have thought about dropping this licence but bugger it I spent the time and money getting it so may as well try and keep it , I also have plumbing drainage and gas licences so as you may be aware I am not to thrilled with all this upskilling bullshit . I started when you had a choice of methven taps or hmc taps, copper cistern or dux cistern there was a choice in colour for the dux  cistern and the pans though. Look at what we have on the market today , if I hadnt taken the time to learn about new ideas and products I wouldnt be able to survive in this industry , so in my view we are continually upskilling whether we like it or not by public demand , the key is being able to adapt as necessary , if you are unable to or cant be bothered you will soon be found out and struggle to make a living , there are enough laws and departments  in place to protect the public if they are unhappy with a tradesperson  .like PGDB ,local council,lawyers , small claims court, consumer act, target, fairgo dont pay them , local association if they belong one , no cowboys etc etc etc   

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 03:51:36 PM »

Hi guys, don`t know if you saw this
ENSURING WATER IS SAFE

When turning on a tap, most people do not question the quality of the water they’re pouring into a glass. Even more remote is the thought that the water they’re about to drink could lead to serious illness or possibly death. People who have engaged a registered certifying plumber should have every confidence that the water supply delivered to them is safe.
However. A recent disciplinary case heard by the Board, underpins the need to remind certifying plumbers to review their approach to the delivery of water to consumers by ensuring that:
• Every effort is taken to verify the source of the water supply;
• The method of installation meets or exceeds minimum compliance standards;
• Appropriate testing and commissioning of installations is undertaken.
In the recent case heard by the Board, a senior certifying plumber failed to verify that the tank that he was installing which was to supply water to a rural café, was fit and safe for the storage of potable water. In fact the tank had previously been used to hold human waste and caused a significant public health issue.
In urbanized areas throughout New Zealand, water is collected by councils and supplied to homes and businesses through reticulated water mains. Councils are responsible for ensuring reticulated water is safe for use. However, in rural areas, without access to reticulated three
In any design, remember the three steps
to safety:
1. Verify the source of the water (e.g. river, roof catchment or bore)
2. Test the water to determine the appropriate treatment requirements for the intended use of the water e.g. for potable water send a sample to an accredited testing facility - their report will indicate if it’s necessary to incorporate a water treatment device (e.g. filtration, ultraviolet, water dosing) in the
design
3. At a minimum install, test and commission the system according to the requirements outlined in the NZ Building Code G12 (3rd
edition)

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 03:54:53 PM »
hi guys, This information is about water safety on the Boards web site. I thought it included good information in the design of a system as described. I would have e-mailed the board thanking them for the information if it had not come about by a disciplinary matter plus other reasons for not thanking them.
Guys, I think you would agree that this is the kind of information that we tradesmen would welcome, the kind that is freely distributed and kept for future reference to ensure the “health and safety” of nz ders, you could almost argue that the board was negligent in not keeping tradesmen informed, a simple memo to all would have made the difference in this case. If the board were to enter into this kind of information sharing it would go a long way towards healing the rift between the board and us tradesmen instead of waiting for us to make a mistake then jumping on us and driving a lot of us out of the trades, cheers,

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 05:08:34 PM »
hi guys, this was in Wals news letter today: Prosecutions have been steadily on the increase over recent years, as have complaints,  which means two things, the Boards marketing and searching for dirt on people is working and the CPD buy points scheme is a failure.
Numerous tradespeople have been prosecuted for breaches of sections which relate to improper or incompetent conduct or acts or omissions contrary to the integrity of the trade.
I believe that the board is going all out on this as a means to strengthen their veiw and convince the powers that be that competant based licencing is needed,cheers

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 05:19:50 PM »
It was very interesting to read that in the newsletter.  It is no wonder practitioners feel there is some sort of conspiracy when you can see the tangled relationships between suppliers, some trainers and the PGDB.  Each is feathering the others nest in this "buy points for competency" debacle.  There are undoubtedly some very good courses and some very good trainers - I do not dispute that.  There are some very interesting supplier's evenings - i do not dispute that.  What I dispute is the necessity to pay money to have a supplier pitch his product and then find that this is meant to make practitioners safer for the public to use, and also can mean the difference between being able to earn a livelhood.  The true mandatory stuff revolves around codes and Acts - and I have no issue with the PGDB making practitioners attend courses on any new amendments to the codes or Acts as and when they come in - providing there is a 12 month window of opportunity and they are made available on line or in person and they are realistically priced.  A practitioners knowledge of codes of practice and the Act does make them safer for the public to use (providing of course they follow said Acts and Codes).  Everything else upskilling wise should be encouraged but not mandatory and not stuff your licence should hinge on.

With the electrical regime - do we see huge numbers of people dying because sparkies only upskill once every two years and do the same thing over and over and over and over and over again?  Not that I've read in the headlines.  It just doesn't make sense.

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 10:50:21 PM »
hi guys, have you heard of this case?
 A policeman who’s u-turn on the brow of a hill led to the death of a motorcyclist has been fined $250 plus court costs - to the disbelief of the victim's family and friends.

I think you could push for competent based driving licenses with the amount of carnage on the roads. What would have been the outcome of this case if it had to be judged by a disciplinary board like the one that we have to fund? How would every driver like it if they had to pay for and carry out a driving test every year, just to be able to drive?
I haven’t heard of any deaths by dodgy Plumbing Gasfitting or Drainlaying lately.  cheers       

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2011, 09:25:49 PM »
That is so true. If the nz public had to go through what we had to just to be able to drive there would be civil war. Man i feel for the riders family i really do.
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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2011, 10:15:35 PM »
our exams are our bench mark I feel we would be well served in having to answer ten questions from our exams each year at our own leisure with with a 100 percent pass mark and endless redos until you passed open book talk to your work mates ect  .  I feel this approach would help us alll to be on the same page when it came  relevant  standards as we would all be talking about exam level stuff .

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Re: My idea for upskilling
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 08:23:36 AM »
hi guys/whos,y,p, that is as sound an idea as any other that has been put forward, i would support it,cheers


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