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Offline Jaxcat

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PGDB October Info Brief
« on: October 25, 2012, 03:58:19 PM »
I see the PGDB have got it wrong again.  The Info Brief Word from the Chair states Wal Gordon, on behalf of the PGDF had laid a complaint  with the Charities Commission which has lead tothe Board receiving notice that it is to be deregistered as a Charity.  Shame on Mr Bickers for getting a basic fact such as this wrong.  Whom ever is informing him needs to be talked to.  My understanding is that Mr Gordon did not lay the Complaint with the Charities Commission at all.  It is interesting to see the Board Chair state that the current Board members do not know the historical background as to how the Board became a registered Charity - you'd think with all the outside help they get from barristers, solicitors and KPMG that they might have asked them how they qualified for this status wouldn't you, given that they rush to sign the form necessary to keep current and are shown as officers for the Charity.  Who do you know that signs things such as this without knowing what it means? 

The Board may see no possible advantage for tradespeople in them losing their charitable status, and oh how it tugs at my heart strings that they are so concerned.  I don't see any possible advantage for tradespeople "buying points" to stay licensed either.  I guess we all just have to live with what is dished up to us.  The Board is meant to be, I believe, a not for profit organisation, so why have they accumulated such a profit in the last licensing year?  And what is the unexpected revenue they got last year that put them in surplus - they never outlined that at the recent consultation meeting on fees reviews despite being asked at the meeting I attended - anyone with any iota of a brain knows where the surplus came from - unexpended disciplinary levies and offences fees - you know all that money you paid for that specific purpose that never got used for that specific purpose.  And the promise of the surplus offsetting fees in coming years - bullshit - they've never done it yet and they were busy telling us they need to have "reserves" to last four to six months - with the Minister's approval.  We don't need fees offset in years to come, we need it now.  AND did anyone get told that the 2012/2013 fees were going down with the surplus accumulated from last year - no way - in fact we got told the opposite, so why should we believe them when they tell us this now?

Tell us Mr Bickers where this unexpected revenue came from?  And tell us what cost cutting you did?  And tell us what cost cutting you are going to do?   The PGDF didn't write the rules for the Charities Commission - they are what they are - and if someone has complained and now they are being enforced, well it seems to me you are just getting some of your own medicine back.  Don't you tell us you that you are there simply to enforce the Act - you don't write it - well there you go this scenario is very similar.

Don't try to blame the Federation for your problems, be brave enough to say that you have been working the system and diddling the taxpayers of NZ for years.  Surely the minister must be losing confidence in this Board who keep making blunder after blunder after blunder.  And you even admit spending $24k in legal costs responding to the Charities Commission inquiries.  Shame on you!

I haven't heard any rumours of Board members or staff receiving some form of tax free perks through the Board's charitable status - and thanks for telling us that is quite simply untrue.  I also hadn't heard the rumours that it was illegal for the Board to make a surplus - what I had heard is that you should be budgeting for expenditure, you shouldn't be accruing huge surpluses and that the disciplinary levy money and the offences fee money should be used for what they are collected for and NOTHING else.  Memorandum accounts will no doubt sort that out and will tell us for how many years you have been misusing the disciplinary levy to prop up other expenditure.

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 04:28:22 PM »
 :o When I read this, I immediately thought that Mr Bickers is trying to make Wal the offical scapegoat for upcoming fee increases.  How the hell did they spend $24K on lawyers when they have their own inhouse eejits?? Was this the actual cost or the imagined cost of a QC

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 05:39:51 PM »
Mr Bickers has got nothing else to say in his opening blurb!!!!....but vents his anger at Wal for uncovering some bloody dodgy dealings at the Board !!!!!!!!!
i just dont get it, ....put us back under the HEA:LTH minister,

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 06:06:43 PM »
throwing mud hoping it sticks!

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 07:39:16 PM »
hi guys, "It was apparent at the meetings that many people are still unclear about the Board’s role within the industry"
 No we understand completely the boards role and that is to screw all tradesmen to the point of chucking it all away, to the board, thanks for nothing,cheers

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 07:46:20 PM »
Hi all, this is BLOODY discusting !
 isn't it time the media herd about this band of cowboys called the pgdb and lets get mr keys aware and to answer what this government is going to do about these cowboys in OUR industry !!
i think i will send some emails too some people who know some people, lets see what happens!! ;)
I believe in doing a job once and right. !

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 08:00:35 PM »
TOTAL CORRUPTION ....WE NEED A PUBLIC INQUIRY ASAP......AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY I USE SWEAR WORDS....
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 09:32:16 PM »
Just got around to reading it, allways need a beer first! Do the board think they are fooling anyone? They are making W.I.N.Z. look professional.

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 06:59:31 AM »
It is a very public admission of using a legal loop hole to dodge paying tax, unbelievable.....can you imagine if any of us "mere" plumbers pulled that one.

No mention of loosing their ability to help others as a charity, or how it will effect the public health and safety(their listed "charitable works"), just money and dodging paying tax and an attempt to turn the industry against Wal, for something he never did or said at that.

I would like to know how much real cost is going to be incurred by a NON PROFIT organisation, paying tax on PROFIT, oh and of course the cost of tax on stamps and envelopes.....or even trips to Melbourne for all the family, LOL :-[

Their attempted mud slinging will back fire, they have tried to tarnish Wals reputation by (and this is the real funny part) publically admitting using being a charity as a cost saver, i.e. tax dodge, TOTALLY CORRUPT :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ ;)

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 07:20:32 AM »
Now that they have been found out as tax cheats i wonder if IRD will investigate them and look to the back tax owed on past profits. ;D
Unless the moral improves the floggings will continue

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 07:30:52 AM »
Totally Aboutgas, or perhaps a public inquiry mate.

"Dick"ers is going on about the 24k in legal costs, I put it to them that they KNOWINGLY wasted 24k trying to hold on to a status that they didn't deserve, knowingly so....no mention of the 200k spent on ruining my life.

No body in their right mind (LOL) could have thought for a second or actually believed that an industry board was a charity........so why did you waste OUR donations trying to hold on to this status .....PMSL ;)

What a very public cock up, thank you big Al you've really made my week.......

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 08:50:44 AM »
I think this leaves Mr Bickers and the PGDB with egg all over their faces (again).  However big ups to whomever it was who put in the complaint to the Charities Commission.  And big shame on you to Mr Bickers for getting it so wrong - at least you should ensure you give the correct credit to the correct person.  I think the article in this week's Fellow Practitioner about this whole saga is a cracker!  Well done!

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 05:27:53 PM »
i agree Jaxcat, a REAL cracker!! well done Wal :D
mr bickers needs to go.
what gets me is how he says they dint know how they got a charitable trust status...what the!!! ..don't they have records and minutes??
ignorance is what is happening here.
and tisk tisk!! >:( >:( >:( pgdb dodging tax!!!...and making a proffit when they know that they cant!..that's not on! >:(.

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2012, 11:03:45 PM »
hi guys, the Board states:- " The historical background to the Board being a charity is unknown to the current Board members but the status has been beneficial to all trades people as it shielded them from some costs that would otherwise be collected through licence fees"
 If it was so benificial how is it that our licence fees have rocketed to such a cost that they are today, from a nominal amount in the nineties?
 I can`t tell you how much this makes my blood boil, or what i would like to do to the whole board,cheers

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Re: PGDB October Info Brief
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 11:27:37 PM »
hi guys, came across this when googled `plumbing police`i wonder if the board has expectations of imitating the usa,

“Get your hands up and step away from the pipe!  Book’em Dano!” Okay, so maybe plumbers don’t usually make the FBI’s most wanted list but there are a few surprises in store for us.  Let’s take a look.
For starters, all plumbing work is regulated by the government.  What isn’t?  Just like the Motor Vehicle Code, the Civil Code, the Criminal Code, there is the Plumbing Code; the law of plumbing.

What next they may want guns as well, this could be you,, See Picture,cheers


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