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Offline chilly

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stand down time for craftsman licence
« on: April 25, 2010, 07:22:19 PM »
Hi can anyone clarify why there is a stand down time for taking the craftsman licence after passing the registration plumbing licence. If you were new to plumbing as an apprentice i would understand but if you already have experience through time served why the wait. Why cant we just get on with it!        (Can anyone help before i go insane thanks )

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 05:09:32 PM »
i think you can sit the common exam straight away, but have to wait a year after becoming registered before you can sit the plumbing and or gasfitting exams

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2010, 09:44:30 PM »
You won't be accepted for the exam untill a year after getting your results for your registration exam, which is when the board decides you have passed it even though you wrote it 3 months earlier so it works out a year and a half after you write and pass the rego exam that you can sit your certifying exam. I tried to reason with Phil Routen[chairman of the board at the time], at Weltec that we could save 6 months wait if they consider the pass date to be the date that you actually sat the exam, -total waste of time.

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 06:07:12 PM »
Actually I think it is one year from the time you become REGISTERED - not get the results of your registration exam.  And we know that once you get your results you then have to do all the paperwork and save the money to apply for registration, and then wait until the PGD Board meet and decide if you are a fit and proper person etc etc.   You can sit the exam after one year, but have to wait two years post registration to pick up the qualification.  I imagine the reason for this is simply that you gain experience, and that as the Certifying status is proof of an advanced knowledge then it is experience + knowledge that are being rewarded. 

This doesn't mean you can't use the time to study and be ready to hit the exams as soon as the time frame is up.  I think that it is laudable that you are heading towards certifying status, too many of our trainees don't see any further ahead than registration/licensed status which is a great shame. 

In the current environment "certifiers" are going to be like gold dust and that ticket should be worth a great deal in terms of remuneration.  Mind you it'll cost a pretty packet to get it too and to maintain it.  Good luck on your future.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2010, 07:21:02 PM »
hi I think the main reason is to stress us out, and so they can earn more money for your bosses and of course the pgdb
 and of course the pgdb should have no say in the training of plumbers or what standards they have achieve because you can see the mess they have been making for years

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 06:06:39 AM »
Let me clarify the situation for you fellas.  I have just spent 3.5 years teaching at Unitec and 4 years re-qaulifying in this country having migrated from the UK and i know the rules almost word perfect because i have been a victim of the 'changing rules' and the PGDB since arriving in 2005.

You are not allowed to sit the Craftsman Common Paper until one full year has elapsed since the date of you being 'informed' that you have passed the Registration Exam of your choice

ie. you take the exam in November, are informed you have passed on 31st January by post, therefore you can only take the Common Exam in June of the following year.

It used to be the case that you could take the Common Exam alone in the year that you received confirmation that you had passed the Registration Exam, the idea behind this being that is encouraged you to continue with your professional development, but this changed in 07 when the Board got replaced. 

ie. you take the exam in November, are informed you have passed on 31st January by post, therefore you used to be able to take the Common Exam in November of that year.

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 06:19:33 AM »
This is a continuation of the last comment because the the computer went barmy on me!

I know these facts to be true because i was a victim of the changing rules of the PGDB in sept 07.
I passed registration gas and plumbing in Nov 06, was informed on 31st Jan 07 and verbally confirmed with KU at the Board that i was able to sit the Common Exam in Nov 07, was told yes, studied all year and attended a course at Unitec and when i put in my cheque for the exam in Sep it was sent back to me!

I contacted the PGDB and again spoke to KU and was told that the rules had changed mid year and now the gap had to be one full year from being informed you had passed the Registration Exam of that chosen trade. 

Apparently "the fact that i didnt know the rules had changed was my fault and i obviously wasnt ready to sit the exam anyway"

When i asked for the paperwork that confirmed the mid year change i was told that "all training providers were informed of the change". I requested confirmation of that change in the form of the correspondence proving that it had occurred

Offline MAT BOWMAN

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 06:22:41 AM »
I requested confirmation of that change in the form of the correspondence proving that it had occurred and was told that i would have to contact the Registrar with that request and we all know what happens when you contact the Regsitrar - sweet FA. 

Well i contacted the Registrar with a letter and it was totally ignored as have other letters and info i have sent to him.

My experiences with the PGDB have been long and painful and my advice to anyone is never trust any verbal conversation you have with them - ALWAYS GET IT IN WRITING!!!!!!!!

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 06:25:12 AM »
The good news for you guys in the future is that as of next year there will cease to be a Craftsman Common Exam so the $400 i paid for a course and the year i spent studying will have been a total waste of time from start to finish because i pay an accountant to do my accounts, a lawyer to help me if i do anything illegal and the rest i can do myself - WHAT A COMPLETE AND UTTER WASTE OF TIME!

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 04:55:00 PM »
Can you provide link

I havent heard about discarding the common ,

I have argued in the past that it should not be a requirement , no other industry that I know of has it ,

Of couse it is desirable for  anyone  seeking to run their own business , to be as savvy as possible about accountancy , but most of us employ accountants and business packages to help run our companies , it is stretching it a bit if the board believe they should control  this as well , I note they do not have any mandate to consider monetary issues in a dispute .   


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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2010, 07:16:00 PM »
Yeah that doesnt sound right to me. Im currently studying for the craftsman common exam and have forked out 900 bucks to do the nightclass for it so if theyre scrapping it from next year I would like to see some evidence of that and I wont bother paying to sit this years exam

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2010, 10:15:55 PM »
If any one has any more info on the common paper re being scraped please let us all know as I'm in the same boat as the other guys above and I would hate to gift the PDGB money for nothing
Unless the moral improves the floggings will continue

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 09:28:13 AM »
hi gas, you already do,cheers

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 04:22:17 PM »
Hello people

I can assure you that the common paper is being scrapped as of next year - dont ask me to tell you how i know i just do - im not being awkward im - i simply do not want to betray a confidence of someone who possibly should not have mentioned it to me in a conversation.

I spent one year swotting for it in 2007 having been told i could sit it and come sep 07 had my cheque sent back to me stating that i wasnt entitled to sit it because the rules had changed over when you could sit it during may of that year.  I was furious and with the publication of the OAG report this is part of a complaint i am laying with the PGDB for being disadvantaged

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Re: stand down time for craftsman licence
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 04:25:48 PM »
Hi Brian

This is not an easy one to answer, so let me tell you how i played it when i arrived in 05

In 05 the tossers would not have a  bar of listening to you no matter what qualifications you had.  Because of that i decided to play their little game with the intention of passing all their silly exams with good marks.

Did the practical test of workmanship' through Unitec by completing the final year block courses over a 3 month period (6 weeks in total) but it wasnt easy to do because nobody was set up for it so i 'volunteered' or rather pushed myself into the college cos i was fed up with being fobbed off. 

Just like obtaining the relevant info and anything to do with the PGDB its like the Holy Grail - they tell you you have to do it but it doesnt shagging well exist - nobody wants to train you, nobody wants to help you, there is no complete info package of all the course material unless you sign up with the Open Poly or someone like Unitec.

I attended Unitec and got the following rego marks but i also learnt all the NZ and Aus codes and standards.

80% rego gas
86% rego plumbing

Sinc



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