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When is Supervision not really Supervision?
« on: November 25, 2013, 02:03:16 PM »
I am interested in hearing real life situations of Supervision i.e. what do YOU do to supervise or direct staff.  Here's a couple of situations I've heard of this week:

Certifier has his own company in North Island.  Licensed person works in South Island for himself (and has his own company a he is a Certifying Plumber).  The NI Certifier goes overseas for three months.  Is the SI person being "supervised"? while the NI Supervisor is overseas?  Is the SI person being supervised when the NI Certifier is back in NZ? 

Should this be acceptable?

Certifier has a few staff and has to go into hospital for an operation and will be off work for six weeks.  Can he supervise his staff while in hospital?

How does it work at your work?  Do you supervise your apprentices?  Your exemption holders?  How do you do this?

Do you think SKYPE is an acceptable way to check test results, say for gasfitting?  What about facetime on a smart phone?

Love to hear your thoughts.

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Re: When is Supervision not really Supervision?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2013, 04:38:52 PM »
the whole supervision situation is a joke. the certifying plumber sits in an office and TELLS his registered plumber to train the new apprentice/labourer, inform him of all the work health and safety issues, org anise and assess the trainees ability, organise their work materials and equipment. They are then expected to share their tools with them. On completion of the apprenticeship, the certifier then takes all the accolades. It seems unbelievable that after all the issues with the previous boards, and the auditor general report, that the pgdb still think as a registered plumber unfit to start their own sole trade business. a registered plumber has done their apprenticeship, past their exam to be plumbing. If this level of training is insufficient, why are they allowed to train others. Why does the training stop at registration level if thats the case. The electricians dont seem to have these issues.  thanks for having a place where i can have my rant.   cheers.

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Re: When is Supervision not really Supervision?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 01:03:17 PM »
A Gore man who falsely promoted himself as a plumber was fined $1000 for false advertising.
Gustav Van Zyl appeared before Judge Jonathan Moses at a penalty hearing in the Gore District Court on Thursday for illegally advertising plumbing services when not authorised to do such work.
The Plumbers, Gasfitters, and Drainlayers Board says Van Zyl was not registered or authorised to do plumbing work, but he advertised his services as a plumber in a newspaper and in signwriting on his vehicle.
Van Zyl pleaded guilty to two charges of false advertising, board communications adviser Janette Deed said. Since July, Van Zyl has held authorisation from the board to do plumbing under supervision.
Van Zyl could not be contacted for comment.
WOW. A $1000.00 fine. This person has been plumbing on his own, on and off, for at least the last 3 years. Thats less than $334.00 a year. How much do you pay a year to be licensed. Apparently he could only be charged for advertising, as none of his clients would testify against him in court. Maybe the public need to be informed more about their insurance status if something goes wrong. And liability after selling the property. Their will always be people out there trying their hand at backyard plumbing and clients who want the job done for nothing. Maybe they deserve each other. Unfortunately its the legitimate ones of us paying for them.


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